Jesus did not come to save the ((world))

[Monk Brendan]

If the doctrines of the Bible are false, I will believe in false doctrine then.

And as such, you will not be happy where you end up.

 

[frienden thalord]

And on one final note. IT is soley by grace alone we are saved.
Grace, the inwelling of Gods spirit to unction us , draw us to Christ , and unctions us
how to walk and live godly.
But many reject grace. and the lusts of other things choke the word and they too fall away.
I DIE DAILY. Yet its the grace of GOD in me which teaches me so.
His spirit is the only guide I have. and though the flesh be contrary, IN CHRIST we have the power
to crucify it. SING IT peoples , sing.
and flood the world with the gospel of JESUS as the ONLY way in which a man is saved.
I know this will contradict world peace, because it does divide.
But this world aint my home. And in it I expect only tribulation from it.
yet I have all joy , all hope , for my joy , my peace, my hope is IN THE LORD.
Onward peoples, the world is a harvest ripe for winning, and the days grow very short .
Transgressors have about reached the full. When they do , the dark king will stand
and kings with him will unite , and all by PEACE shall destroy many.
a massive tribualatoin is on the way. But whether I live or die I say amen. THE WILL of the LORD be done
and may even my enemies be forgiven for whatever they do against me, even if they kill me.
BUT I REFUSE to bend the knee to world peace , interfaith or any other god.
Jesus will be said, as the ONLY way for salvation . Because HE IS and the love of GOD
comples me to love even my enemies , thus their is no greater love
than , that a man die for his friends, heck even so his enemies might hear and be saved.
And remember JESUS died for us while we were all ENEMIES. So armor up and help me

 

[frienden thalord]

And as such, you will not be happy where you end up.

Maybe I just misunderstood. Brenden, you do KNOW the docttrines of the bible are TRUTH.
Not saying you don't, maybe I misunderstood the conversation.
but the Holy scrips are what make us wise unto Salvation ,,through faith in Christ .

 

[jimmyjimmy]

John 12:32 says, “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.”

The word all isn't always used used to mean without exclusion, does it? The ALL is referring to Gentiles for the entire planet, not JUSt the Jews who thought they had a corner on the market.

Mark 1:5 "And there went out to him ALL the land of Judea, and they of Jerusalem and were ALL baptized in the river Jordan"

John 8:2 "And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and ALL the people came unto him; and he sat down and taught them."

Luke 23:18-19 And they all cried out at once, saying, "Away with this [Man], and release to us Barabbas" (19) who had been thrown into prison for a certain rebellion made in the city, and for murder.

 

[Monk Brendan]

Maybe I just misunderstood. Brenden, you do KNOW the docttrines of the bible are TRUTH.
Not saying you don't, maybe I misunderstood the conversation.
but the Holy scrips are what make us wise unto Salvation ,,through faith in Christ .

Yes, I know that the doctrines of the Bible are truth. However, Calvinism is not God's doctrine. It is a man's doctrine, and as such, can be false, and IS.

 

[Rajni]

The word all isn't always used used to mean without exclusion, does it? The ALL is referring to Gentiles for the entire planet, not JUSt the Jews who thought they had a corner on the market.

Mark 1:5 "And there went out to him ALL the land of Judea, and they of Jerusalem and were ALL baptized in the river Jordan"

John 8:2 "And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and ALL the people came unto him; and he sat down and taught them."

Luke 23:18-19 And they all cried out at once, saying, "Away with this [Man], and release to us Barabbas" (19) who had been thrown into prison for a certain rebellion made in the city, and for murder.

John 12:32's context is all-inclusive, whereas the contexts of Mark, John, and Luke verses say which "all" is being referred to.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

That's not talking about favoritism, it's talking about the mercy of God. God declares in his word that he will show mercy to whom he will show mercy. It's up to him. In his eternal counsel, before the beginning of time, he predestinated some to everlasting life (not based on anything they did either; that's where the favoritism can come from since God is no respecter of persons, in that way he does not show favoritism). That's not playing favorites, it just what he wanted to do. You don't question God, he can do what he wants with his creation.

Many don't like the idea that God is sovereign. It creates competition for them.

 

[DeerGlow]

JESUS said HE would not return till the WHOLE WORLD had been given a chance to hear the gospel.

Where is this in the bible?

 

[frienden thalord]

Paul once said , for ALL men have not faith.
that didn't mean everyone . just like in timothy when He uses all.
all in some texts means . ALL WHO BELIEVES in CHRIST .

Yes, I know that the doctrines of the Bible are truth. However, Calvinism is not God's doctrine. It is a man's doctrine, and as such, can be false, and IS.

Well that is very true. Often mans doctrines are false, not always, but often. Thus every man must be tested always.
calvin had errors, but be on guard, for other leaders do too. bad ones. Its time to just read the bible and flee
any doctrine contrary to the sayings of Christ , aposltes and the pattern they set.

 

[Monk Brendan]

Scripture says God is love. Nowhere does it say He is hate.

Even his anger & hatred are for good.

Yes, his hatred and anger are good, in that they chastise us, and bring us to Him, so that we can love Him, and receive mercy from Him.

 

[frienden thalord]

Where is this in the bible?

Very good , You test all men, even me.
But here is your answer . Mathew 24v 14 and this gospel of the kingdom
shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all nations, and then shall the END come.

 

[Monk Brendan]

calvin had errors, but be on guard, for other leaders do too. bad ones. Its time to just read the bible and flee
any doctrine contrary to the sayings of Christ , aposltes and the pattern they set.

Oh, I grant you that! And I appreciate the warning.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

JESUS said HE would not return till the WHOLE WORLD had been given a chance to hear the gospel.

You do understand that countless millions have died since then without hearing the gospel, right?

The gospel reaching "ALL NATIONS" is not the same thing as ALL PEOPLE having "a chance to hear the gospel".

 

[Monk Brendan]

Help me understand then the Arminian God. If the decision of heaven or hell rests entirely on the choice of man, how can we say that God saves? How can we say that God wants to save everyone if it's entirely man's choice? If God wants to save someone and they reject Him then does that make God a failure? Can this God save anyone if no one wants to be saved? It seems to me that this God makes salvation possible, but He doesn't actually save anyone, as that can apparently only be done through each individual's will.

Is there not another way to look at God? Neither Arminian or Calvinist? There is: the Pre-Reformation grace and mercy of God that He is willing to give to any who ask for it, and are willing to cooperate with Him.

 

[surrender1]

It's amazing to me how many people here on this Christian forum that state -- that the whole world will be saved.

John 17:9

I pray for them: I pray not for the world

M-Bob

How absurd to think God could actually saved the whole world!

 

[Monk Brendan]

synecdoche

Gee, I thought that this was a place in New York!

 

[surrender1]

That would be the world of believers not everyone in the world.

I just don't think that Hitler will be there.

M-Bob

Hitler isn't redeemable according to man. But God's ways are not like man's ways. If God can redeem postmortem, and even the most unlikely of all, praise be to God. But maybe God can't redeem everyone. Maybe he's not the Great Redeemer but the So-so Redeemer. When God restores ALL things, maybe it's just some things.

 

[Monk Brendan]

I can't imagine he'd want the people of Noah's time or those in Sodom and Gamorrah in heaven.

He didn't love them too? I'm sure if there had been another righteous man before the flood, God would have saved him, too. The same goes for Sodom.

 

[Monk Brendan]

How absurd to think God could actually saved the whole world!

Forgive me, but God CAN do anything!

 

[Rajni]

Hitler isn't redeemable according to man. But God's ways are not like man's ways. If God can redeem postmortem, and even the most unlikely of all, praise be to God. But maybe God can't redeem everyone. Maybe he's not the Great Redeemer but the So-so Redeemer. When God restores ALL things, maybe it's just some things.

Well, that's the difference between the Good News, and the Great News!