Jesus did not come to save the ((world))

[Monk Brendan]

If he ever heard the Gospel and KNEW God's love, he rejected it.
If he honestly never heard the Gospel, he would be judged on what he knew and what he'd done. So either way, probably not.

As a good Austrian Roman Catholic boy, I'm sure he HEARD the Gospel, and he HEARD that God loved him.

 

[Monk Brendan]

Jesus will not make any attempt to talk to them. But it is our responsibility to spread the Gospel to them

If they accept Jesus thru us, then Jesus will talk to them

Oh, but Jesus will talk to them, even if they don't believe, and don't want to hear Him. Look at St. Paul!

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Forgive me, but God CAN do anything!

Actually, He can't do anything.

He cannot lie. He cannot be unjust. He cannot violate His nature. . .

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Oh, but Jesus will talk to them, even if they don't believe, and don't want to hear Him. Look at St. Paul!

You are becoming Reformed before my eyes! LOL!

 

[surrender1]

Forgive me, but God CAN do anything!

I agree! :-D

 

[surrender1]

Actually, He can't do anything.

He cannot lie. He cannot be unjust. He cannot violate His nature. . .

The poster was referring to the concept that God can save the whole world.

But maybe your theology says God can't save the whole world.

 

[Monk Brendan]

I wasn't aware that you thought Calvinism was an invention of John Calvin. Calvinism is part of the Reformed doctrine which is calvinistic in that we believe God's word reveals to us that he is sovereign over all things, including man's salvation. The Reformed doctrine came about by the study of many, many biblical scholars who came together to determine what it actually was which God's word said since the Roman church obscured this by having it's members not able to understand the word preached since it was given in a language not understood by the people.

In the time of Luther and Calvin, there were MANY men that understood Latin. It used to be required, even in totally secular schools. Just because YOU don't understand Latin doesn't mean that none do, or did in the 1400's. The Roman Catholic Church, thank God for them--many man centuries were spent preserving God's Word by monks busily copying the Bible over and over again, in Latin, Greek, AND Hebrew. If it weren't for the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches, YOU would not have a Bible.

 

[frienden thalord]

Forgive me, but God CAN do anything!

Well God did give the WHOLE world a way to be saved. sadly most reject it.
and just as bad most would rather spend time explaining calvin or whoever, than to just
instead preach the gospel that does save.
When all of us stands before Him at our end.
not a one will be judged for our high intellect and wisdom, which aint high, even if man sees himself as exalted.
We wont be judged for what our preaches taught us
we will be judged BY JESUS WORDS
we will be judged on whether we followed HIM.
So , I am just going to preach truth. and if calvins servants or any other
contrary religion students, desires to just aruge.
I follow the real pattern. Warn , encourage , but if they just want to not hear.
I move on,for some will desire truth. amen.

 

[Monk Brendan]

Personally I don't know how anyone can maintain an active, full faith without the reformed doctrine

I do it, quite easily!

 

[Mountainmanbob]

His last thought might have been, "my Jesus, save me."

I think that there's more to it than that.

I'm not a big believer in deathbed conversions. Sure, some may happen but I wouldn't count on it.

M-Bob

 

[bangmegafan]

ok

 

[joinfree]

Forgive me, but God created ALL, including the devil.

God has created the holy Lucifer, not the satan.

 

[frienden thalord]

Sorry, only those that ask for His mercy will be saved.

You are both right on this point.
For this is the WILL of God , that you believe on ME.
We must obey His grace , we must obey His spirit.
and we must by his grace keep the commandments of Christ .
we are servants to WHOM we Obey. whether of sin unto death
or the spirit unto life. and obey the unctions of HIS spirit
for it is HE within us working in us , that which is WELL pleasing in HIS SIGHT.
ask and ye shall receive. For who much more shall my Father give the SPIRIT to those who ask.

 

[Kingspawn]

It's amazing to me how many people here on this Christian forum that state -- that the whole world will be saved.

John 17:9

I pray for them: I pray not for the world

M-Bob

 

[frienden thalord]

Who paid the price for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD.
every sin .
But here is the problem. NOT all will come to HIM , that they may receive the pardon of their sins.
imagine that . JESUS paid the price for the sins of the world, yet not all will be saved.
WHOSE FAULT is it any ends up in the lake of fire. THIER OWN>

 

[frienden thalord]

and many forget that JESUS aint the minister of SIN
he aint a ticket to be saved and keep sinning.
WRONG answer. IF we build again the things which once we destroyed we make ourselves transgressors.
Even pual knew he could and would be cut OFF , if he kept not his body under subjection to the SPirit.
For it is HE within us, working that which is WELL pleasing in HIS SIGHT.

 

[Hank77]

The trouble is, no one WILL. Anyone MAY, but no one CAN. John 6 makes this more than clear.

6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.

The word, "can" refers to ability, not permission. No one has the ability to come to Me unless the Father enable Him.

So it is God's desire that all men be saved but He will not draw them so that they can be saved? Is that what you are saying?

 

[bangmegafan]

It's amazing to me how many people here on this Christian forum that state -- that the whole world will be saved.

John 17:9

I pray for them: I pray not for the world

M-Bob

Yes, Jesus didn't die for all. You are correct
Jesus is died for the people who repent for their sins.
On the day Jesus was crucified, there are two more people who are also crucified along with.
But out of two, only one person is saved. Because, he did three things
1. He believed that Jesus is crucified for all of us
2. He believed he can forgive my sins if he can
3. He can take me to heaven along with him
because he is son of God
But the other person asked Jesus. If you are son of God, why can't you save yourself and us. Again 3 things
1. Second person didn't believe Jesus. Instead, he questioned his faithfulness
2. He didn't repent his sins. Instead, he challenged Jesus. Why can't you save yourself and me
3. He didn't believe he is son of God. Hence, he misused his last opportunity and need not to say he is in other side of heaven
Pointed to be noted
Theoretically Jesus died for both. Practically out of two only person saved because he believed in Jesus.
Belief is essential here.
Hope it clarified your question.

 

[Kingspawn]

However to say that Jesus didn't come to save the world would be incorrect imho. Scripture tell us "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,fn not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance (2Pet.3:9)."

 

[Rajni]

Jesus would already have to be everyone's Savior in order for them to truthfully accept him as such.

In other words, if he's not someone's savior, asking them to accept him as such would be asking them to accept a lie.

Facts don't require belief to activate them. For instance, the store down the street isn't open right now because I chose to believe that. I believe it's open because it already is.

Same with the fact of God as Savior of the world. He's your savior whether or not you believe it. If it took your belief to make Him Savior, then that just makes you your savior rather than Him.

Again, He's the Savior of all, especially (not exclusively) of believers.