Jesus' commandments - opposed to His Fathers Commandments? - Really?

[bugkiller]

Did God do away with the fact he wants you to love him with all your heart?
Did God do away with the fact he doesn't want you to lie, murder, commit adultery and covet?
God removed the penalty of transgression, he did NOT remove the law itself he desires you to keep.
That got transferred into your mind and on your heart
Without the attached penalty for transgression, the TC are no longer the ministry of death and condemnation

The answer to your questions is no. That does not mean the law is enforce. Jer 31 plainly states the law would be replaced. Jesus said it was. Paul tells us it was replaced with better promises.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Christ is the end of the law UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS( not full stop)
Rom 10:4

You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but the spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone( TC) but on tablets of human hearts
2cor3:3

The law of righteousness got removed. The law of condemnation was abolished, the law without condemnation is written on your mind and placed on your heart

What are you calling "the law?"

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

This is the covenant I will make with them after that Time says the Lord
I will write my laws in their minds
And place them in their hearts ( you have the law)
Then he adds
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more( no condemnation)

Heb10:16&17

Again what law are you talking about? I am looking for a specific answer only.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

You cannot be conscious of sin in your life without the law. That is not possible

That is a bunch of hooey. Pharaoh knew it was wrong to take another man's wife before the law was given.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I believe the heart of the law remains.
IE
Paul twice in rom ch14 tells us all food is clean.

But God cannot, nor will he remove the fact he does not want you to commit adultery, covet, take his name In vain, steal, murder etc

Not doing any of the above does not mean one is subjecting themselves to the law issued at Sinai.

bugkiller

 

[Bob S]

Whatva
What about it?
If you committed adultery, would you simply be conscious you had not loved as you should?
Or, would you be convicted you sinned by committing the act of adultery?

If you stole something. Would you be conscious you sinned by committing theft, or would you be conscious you committed sin by failing to love as you should?

The Holy Spirit convicts us when we are committing sin. In fact the Holy Spirit is there to lead us away from sinning before it ever happens.

Lets be very clear. Not observing the ritual laws given to Israel is not a sin to Christians. Morality has been forever and it was not invented by God at Sinai when He gave Israel a few things not to do.

 

[bugkiller]

The law of righteousness is the law of Moses.

Gill

Romans 9:31
But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness,.... The Israelites, the far greater part of the Jews, who were not called by the grace of God, were all very zealous of the law, called "the law of righteousness"; because the matter of it was righteous, it was so in its own nature; and because perfect obedience to it is righteousness; as also because they sought for righteousness by the deeds of it.

King David was declared righteous even though he willfully violated the law. The law therefore does not establish the righteousness required by God.

bugkiller

 

[stuart lawrence]

What are you calling "the law?"

bugkiller

Anything that makes you conscious you sin by doing it

 

[stuart lawrence]

The answer to your questions is no. That does not mean the law is enforce. Jer 31 plainly states the law would be replaced. Jesus said it was. Paul tells us it was replaced with better promises.

bugkiller

The law us not inforce as the way to be justified, it cannot condemn you, but it exists still

 

[stuart lawrence]

That is a bunch of hooey. Pharaoh knew it was wrong to take another man's wife before the law was given.

bugkiller

Romans 5:13

 

[stuart lawrence]

King David was declared righteous even though he willfully violated the law. The law therefore does not establish the righteousness required by God.

bugkiller

Do not bring your servant into judgement, for NO ONE living I righteous before you
Psalms143:2

 

[stuart lawrence]

The Holy Spirit convicts us when we are committing sin. In fact the Holy Spirit is there to lead us away from sinning before it ever happens.

Lets be very clear. Not observing the ritual laws given to Israel is not a sin to Christians. Morality has been forever and it was not invented by God at Sinai when He gave Israel a few things not to do.

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law, rather THROUGH the law we become conscious of sin( present tense)
Rom3:20

Are you ever conscious of sin?

 

[Bob S]

Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law, rather THROUGH the law we become conscious of sin( present tense)
Rom3:20

Are you ever conscious of sin?

Gal3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. (past tense)


24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. (past tense)


25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. (present tense)


26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. (present tense)

For once Stuart why don't you answer your own question before asking others. I have answered the question with more than a yes. Did you not understand that? You didn't comment. Do you understand why Jesus gae us the gift of the Holy Spirit?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Gal3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. (past tense)


24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. (past tense)


25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. (present tense)


26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. (present tense)

For once Stuart why don't you answer your own question before asking others. I have answered the question with more than a yes. Did you not understand that? You didn't comment. Do you understand why Jesus gae us the gift of the Holy Spirit?

We are not under the law( of righteousness. And yes, I know why the Holy Spirit was given.
But the fact remains.
If you commit any specific sin and you are conscious you sin because of That specific sin that law, MUST be placed within you.
For it is a spiritual cast iron fact.
THROUGH the law you become conscious of sin.

So I repeat. If you coveted, would you be conscious you committed sin because you coveted, or would you only be conscious you sinned because you failed to love as you should?

We all know the answer to That question don't we. No more needs to be said

 

[stuart lawrence]

Gal3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. (past tense)


24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. (past tense)


25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. (present tense)


26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. (present tense)

For once Stuart why don't you answer your own question before asking others. I have answered the question with more than a yes. Did you not understand that? You didn't comment. Do you understand why Jesus gae us the gift of the Holy Spirit?

And BTW I agree with your scriptures from Galatians or anywhere else. The christian is not under law, but That does not mean all the law got abolished

 

[Bob S]

And BTW I agree with your scriptures from Galatians or anywhere else. The christian is not under law, but That does not mean all the law got abolished

Ui stuart, I have never said all the law got abolished. You are reading things into my posts that are not there. Since posting on the "Sabbath and the Law" I have been quoting scripture that tells us we are not under the ritual laws given only to the now defunct Israel. Moral law is forever. Christians deal with all morality not just the few found in the defunct 10 Commandments. Morality is really what is planted in our hearts. Please don't take what I post out of context. Please read what is written in green in everyone of my posts. It is our duty and even greater our privilege to love our fellow man. Love in the respect that we will do every thing we can to help others when we are needed. As I have said over and over there is not even the command in the 10Cs to love period. The greatest command is not found in the 10 commandments. They were temporary commands given only to Israel for a purpose we are not fully knowledgeable of knowing. Maybe that was all they could handle at the time.

 

[stuart lawrence]

. The greatest command is not found in the 10 commandments.

I think you made a mistake. The greatest command is found in the TC. It is the first.

 

[Bob S]

I think you made a mistake. The greatest command is found in the TC. It is the first.

So stuart, I write a nice post explaining my position really trying to tell you where I stand and your answer to me is the above response? OY!

 

[bugkiller]

Anything that makes you conscious you sin by doing it

Now that is a first for me. It also is not the type of law being discussed on this part of the forum.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

The law us not inforce as the way to be justified, it cannot condemn you, but it exists still

You do not understand the purposes of the law.

BTW that is not the law you said you were talking about.

bugkiller