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It's Starting.......

Discussion in 'The Kitchen Sink' started by zephcom, Jun 20, 2019.

  1. zephcom

    zephcom Well-Known Member

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    Global Warming is now beginning to show the world that it is, indeed, happening despite those people who continue to pretend it isn't.

    Chennai, India's sixth biggest city, is almost entirely out of water - CNN

    4.6 million people in the Indian city of Chennai are now out of water because their water supply has dried up. And many other cities in India are seeing their supplies shrink.

    From the article:

    "One hundred million people, including those in the large cities of Delhi, Bangalore and Hyderabad, will soon be living in zero groundwater cities, according to the Niti Aayog report."

    And now I see that America is posturing toward war with India. Wouldn't it be easier to just let them die of thirst? Oh.....I remember now, war is good for profits.
     
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  2. WherevertheWindblows

    WherevertheWindblows Well-Known Member

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    When the Euphrates dries up the earths time is near up no?
     
  3. zephcom

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    Why would that be? Does the Euphrates provide all the drinking water for the planet?
     
  4. WherevertheWindblows

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    Sorry I took you for a christian when making reference to the book of revelation sometimes I forget to look.
    (Nothing to see there).
     
  5. zephcom

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    That's okay. There is a reason why I refuse to be considered a Christian. I think you just found it.
     
  6. WherevertheWindblows

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    You either believe in Jesus Christ or you do not. Simply refusing to "be considered" a believer in Christ seems strange simply because someone did not read the tiny print that states you are a Deist (rather than a christian).

    The Euphrates drying up has significance in scripture, but droughts are spoken of. Maybe prayer to God in the name of Jesus Christ could help them? Are they christians there or of some other belief?
     
  7. zephcom

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    Actually, I really like the Jesus as described in the Gospels. The teachings He made revolved around love, helpfulness, lifting others up over one's self etc. I try to practice those things and -if- Christianity was about those things, I wouldn't mind being considered a Christian. Now that so very much of Christianity as adopted the angry, hateful, war mongering Jesus from that bad acid trip call Revelation, I just don't want anyone to think of me in those terms.

    Maybe doing the right thing for the planet and working to stop Global Warming would work much better than just praying to God. That tactic does not have much of a track record.

    Finally, they are of some other belief. One's belief never seemed to be much of a barrier to Jesus while He was here, why would it matter now?
     
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  8. Monk Brendan

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    I remember how in the late 70's the issue was not global warming, but global cooling.

    Covers of both TIME and NEWSWEEK asked if we were heated for another ice age.

    Then in the 90's the big fear was the hole in the ozone layer.

    Global warming is also happening on Mars, and there are no people these to blame it upon.
     
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  9. zephcom

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    It does seem that those early ideas have been shaken around and we now have better data.
     
  10. WherevertheWindblows

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    Well sure there are some on line cyber ghettos claiming to be christian and the love of many growing cold is spoken of but thats expected, not something that should move anyone away but something that can be observed.

    There are differences in opinion on what this global warming is, and is really about (whether theres an agenda to it) and what (if anything) man can do about it (if the so called end of the world as we know it) will take this route rather then the one already mapped out for us. Time will tell.
     
  11. WherevertheWindblows

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    Its sort of hard to take Al Gore seriously, I recall how he was going on about the seas rising (wanting monies hand over fist) then spending millions for some beach front property (while trying to convince folks) and being somewhat indignant that he was hard to believe.

    The whole Global warming (whoops Global cooling) and whoops again, now its Climate Change (as it changes back and forth).
     
  12. Dave-W

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    From an internal NOAA National Ocean Service (NOS) news letter:


    NOS is making important contributions to ocean science both globally and locally. Earlier this week, several members of the NOS leadership team and I traveled to Norfolk, Virginia, where we met with federal partners and regional stakeholders to hear about their experiences addressing and planning for sea level rise, as well as to discuss the impacts that sea level rise is having and will continue to have on NOS people, programs, and facilities. We learned about current and anticipated impacts of recurrent flooding and sea level rise in Hampton Roads and gained a greater understanding of the efforts underway by municipalities and federal agencies to adapt to sea level rise impacts in the Hampton Roads area. Participants included regional officials, the U.S. Navy, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, and the U.S. Coast Guard, who all praised NOS staff for the data and services that we provide, and for how much we add to the success of their daily operations.

    During the visit, I provided introductory remarks at yesterday’s Regional Preparedness Workshop and Training meeting, where I emphasized how NOS’s two-day visit to the area was a great opportunity to learn from other leaders in thought — and action — on issues related to coastal inundation and sea level rise. I also talked about how our brainstorming sessions have set us up for more informed conversations about how NOS can assist and inform local sea level rise efforts now, and in the future.

    One tool that is sure to help coastal communities face the impacts of sea level rise is CO-OPS’s new Coastal Inundation Dashboard. The Dashboard brings together key NOS products and data from over 200 long-term coastal water level stations into one web tool that can help coastal communities monitor and prepare for all types of coastal flooding, from high tide flooding to storm-driven flooding. This tool provides real-time water level information, 48-hour forecasts of water levels, and historic flooding information — all together in one place.

    Having this information in one centralized location will help decision-makers as well as coastal residents understand both shorter-term inundation risks, such as impacts from an approaching hurricane or nor’easter, and longer-term risks, such as high tide flooding and sea level rise. Prior to this year’s hurricane season, water level information in the path of a storm was disseminated through a separate product called Storm Quicklook. Now Storm QuickLook will be disseminated as a customized map-based web product through the Coastal Inundation Dashboard.

    As states, municipalities, the federal government, and the public increasingly turn their attention to the impacts of coastal inundation and related hazards, they look to NOS as an authoritative source of data and information on a wide range of risks. NOS is well-known as a trusted partner, collaborator, and service provider across our programs. The combined effects of our conversations in Norfolk, the Coastal Inundation Dashboard, and our leadership in hosting the Regional Preparedness Workshop and Training are representative of how NOS is positioning itself not just as a data provider, but as a true and invested partner at the center of a national conversation on sea level rise.
     
  13. zephcom

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    I think the real issue surrounding the current condition of the world and those who make arguments such as yours is that those people who do -not- subscribe to the current Christian version of the 'End of the World' actually believe that this situation can be stopped and even turned around. Those people who -do- subscribe to the current Christian version of the 'End of the World' refuse to pitch in because the WANT this to happen so when all these people die, they can feel vindicated in their religion.

    And I don't think the Jesus of the Gospels would approve of me, my family and billions of other people becoming human sacrifices to the current Christian version of the 'End of the World'.

    I think I would have a more compassionate opinion of the current Christianity if their message was more like, "While we think this might be the end of the world as our religion teaches, but just in case this isn't it, we will pitch in and work hard to turn this around."
     
  14. WherevertheWindblows

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    Theres various versions
     
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  15. Halbhh

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    Being Christian genuinely is indeed about those very things in practice (in real outcome). :) Believing in Christ, we are to be doing as He said, according to His own words, and those that don't do as He said will not be among those He separates out to be saved, He tells us. There are a few efforts to avoid this reality, using new doctrines invented in recent decades, but it's very plainly in His words, and known by most Christians in the world, though it's easy to find some in the U.S. that don't know it.

    John 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.

    What are we being saved from ultimately? From death, ultimately, after this temporary life in this temporary body has passed.

    John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
     
  16. Monk Brendan

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    Do we?

    In another few years, it will be something else.
     
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  18. zephcom

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    The thing that frustrates me is that while I know...intellectually...that there are Christians who really do take the teachings of Jesus seriously and try to do the things I mentioned. But where are they when they are truly needed?

    The people who believe in the angry Jesus of Revelation are active all across the board trying to get this thing over with and get on with the punishing of all billions of people who refused to agree with them. You can see it even here, the ones who are Trump supporters are the same ones who believe in the angry Jesus. The ones who fight against trying to stop global Warming are the same ones who believe in the angry Jesus. The ones who refuse to believe that minorities in America are being discriminated against are the same ones who believe in the angry Jesus. The ones who defend Capitalism and the inequality of resources are the same ones who believe in the angry Jesus.

    Where ARE those other Christians who believe in the Jesus of Love? The Jesus who taught self-sacrificing love. The Jesus who said they should bring food and water to their enemies. The Jesus who said that those people who will be first in the Kingdom will be last here.

    The next 15-20 years, if that long, is likely the last opportunity the world has to save itself from a mass extinction event. America is the worse offender. America has the best resources to conquer this issue. America is in the position to demonstrate to the world the true meaning of Jesus' Love for mankind by emptying its entire cache of resources into making the planet survive.

    And we still have an entire contingent of Christians supporting the current president who says that he 'doesn't believe Global Warming is real'. Without those Christians, his total support would drop into the teens...or lower.

    I have a sixteen year old granddaughter who will need to live through this mess if she is to reach old age. I am heartbroken over what my generation's legacy is to her. That is just not showing Divine Love for her generation.

    I'm off my soapbox.
     
  19. klutedavid

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    To busy living their lives.
    That's what they are taught in church.
    They are few and far between and never really seen.
    Too late.

    Maximize profit, diversify investments, increase production, that is the song they listen to.

    Stopping global warming presents a national cost that no country really wants to endure or tackle.

    Governments dare not risk electoral backlash by raising the cost of electricity.
    Only because they hope their economy will prevail given the global competition. That is Trump's master card, it is about economics, i.e., your job.
    Lucky for her that she does not know what life was like last century.
     
  20. nonaeroterraqueous

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    One worries a great deal more when one does not trust in the providence of God. A person could waste a lifetime on worry, and as usually happens the future does not bring about the feared thing, but brings, instead, a new worry for another day. The world needs to be saved from fear-mongering more than it needs to be saved from the fear that, somehow, something's going to change.

    Yes, something will change in some direction, and if you're not holding on to the one thing that never changes, then I guess you can lose a lot of sleep.
     
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