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That is nice. Not accurate in your assessment though.

While the Jim Crow laws existed to keep African Americans subjugated to whites, organizations were needed to assist them attaining EQUALITY with whites. NOT SUPERIORITY BUT EQUALITY.

And now they have that equality. So why the race-based organizations that exclude whites?

What was pointed out in the OP is that are groups who are existing to promote Northern European whites as superior to others (others). The denial that these groups exist to promote whites over others that I am seeing on the right shows the OP is correct.

Do you think that the Women Suffragettes were sexist because they were protesting and campaigning for equal voting rights with men?

No, because they didn't have voting rights at the time. Things are different now. Black people are not slaves and can vote the same as whites. Their votes count the same as a white person's does. Yet black-based organizations favoring people of one race over another exist now more than ever as if pretending they still aren't equal is somehow preferable over having actual equality. If white people were to start the exact same type of organizations as black people are allowed to have, it would be called racist. Apparently, the standard of "equality" is a double one.
 
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What was pointed out in the OP is that are groups who are existing to promote Northern European whites as superior to others (others). The denial that these groups exist to promote whites over others that I am seeing on the right shows the OP is correct.
Just in case you are referring to my posts, FreeinChrist, I need to point out that my posts questioned the existence of white supremacist groups having the ability to conduct terror campaigns.

It is well documented that the FBI has infiltrated and virtually controlled white supremacist groups since the 1960s. While it could be argued that the FBI got lazy in the intervening years, under Obama white supremacy was made the FBI's number 1 terror threat and remains so under Trump.

As a result, only lone wolf "self-radicalized" attacks happen. Any "white supremacist" organization that got at all militant would be utterly destroyed if they actually accomplished anything. Just look at what happened to the Branch Davidians, and they weren't even claiming white supremacy. They were simply armed to the teeth, arguably not really even militant.
 
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They're not pretending.

Is their vote not counted the same as a white person's vote? Is their race or skin color indicated on the voting ballet? Are black people still owned as slaves? Can black people own a home? Drive a car? Hold government office? Be the president of the country???
 
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And now they have that equality. So why the race-based organizations that exclude whites?



No, because they didn't have voting rights at the time. Things are different now. Black people are not slaves and can vote the same as whites. Their votes count the same as a white person's does. Yet black-based organizations favoring people of one race over another exist now more than ever as if pretending they still aren't equal is somehow preferable over having actual equality. If white people were to start the exact same type of organizations as black people are allowed to have, it would be called racist. Apparently, the standard of "equality" is a double one.
However, there still exists issues that question if that equality has been achieved. One is that there still exists groups like the KKK that would remove that equality if they could. There is still institutional racism, and racial profiling.

And there are also issues with voter suppression where voters of color have more difficulty getting to the ballot box. Remember this?
Dodge City polling place debacle: voter suppression or incompetence?

That is one example.

Georgia’s 2018 Black Voter Suppression Efforts “Interwoven and Intentional”

Voter-Suppression Tactics in the Age of Trump

According to the Brennan Center for Justice, ninety-nine bills designed to diminish voter access were introduced last year in thirty-one state legislatures. Many of the recent Republican-led efforts stem from the Supreme Court’s 2013 decision in Shelby v. Holder. In an opinion that eviscerated the Voting Rights Act of 1965, Chief Justice John Roberts wrote that discrimination still exists, but not sufficiently to warrant the “extraordinary” remediation measures that the act imposed on the states of the former Confederacy. That argument is roughly equivalent to saying that a decline in the prevalence of an infectious disease means that we should stop vaccinating against it. Within hours of the decision, Texas announced a strict new voter-I.D. law. Mississippi and Alabama shortly afterward began enforcing similar laws that previously had been barred.

The decision added a layer of severity to a voter-access crisis precipitated by state laws that prohibit six million Americans with past convictions from voting. In three Southern states—Florida, Tennessee, and Kentucky—this means that at least twenty per cent of eligible-age African-Americans cannot vote. Meanwhile, North Carolina enacted restrictions on early voting, a policy that particularly affects African-Americans, who are likely to be hourly-wage workers and cannot always get to the polls on Election Day. Last year, the Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal to reinstate a voter-I.D. law in North Carolina that a federal court had found targeted black voters “with almost surgical precision.” In effect, the question posed by Roberts’s ruling is how much discrimination there has to be before you can justify protecting voters.

Ironically, though, a number of the recent laws validate Roberts’s argument about the undue burden that the Voting Rights Act put on the South; complaints have been lodged in several states that fought for the Union, such as Ohio, Wisconsin, Indiana, and Iowa, which have passed strict voter-I.D. or roll-purge laws. Earlier this year, in Kansas, a federal judge struck down a law that required voters to provide proof of citizenship to register, championed by Kris Kobach, the secretary of state, who served as a vice-chair of Donald Trump’s short-lived voter-fraud commission and is now running for governor. In North Dakota, which didn’t become a state until twenty-four years after the Civil War, Native Americans must now provide an I.D. that shows a street address—even though many have only a P.O. box.​


and a little history:

Georgia election fight shows that black voter suppression, a southern tradition, still flourishes


But again, the topic is that a former white nationalist who is working to get people out of white nationalism is saying it will get worse before it gets better. Check out his interview.
 
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Why does God say HE puts men in place, and HE brings them down....

just like reported in the news the last ten or fifteen years,
a person's vote does not make a difference in such things.

Maybe the way people vote tells God which candidate they want, and then He puts those men (and women) in place. If certain people (Christians) think their vote doesn't matter and then don't vote, God will put someone in place that reflects their lack of voting.
 
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Looks like all these articles are designed with one thing in mind - to convince you that those who vote republican are inhuman, the "other" who should be feared, and therefore, eradicated.

They even made a movie to encourage you toward this end... or so I hear..

Have fun drinking iniquity like it was water.. Lord knows if you see us as a diverse people wanting only the best for all of us as Americans, you won't be doing the will of the puppet masters pulling your strings.
 
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When God's People "voted", telling God what they wanted,
He PUNISHED THEM.

(and God had warned them ahead of time )

Are you trying to say Hillary Clinton was God's choice for president?
Should God's people just stay home on election day?
 
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Looks like all these articles are designed with one thing in mind - to convince you that those who vote republican are inhuman, the "other" who should be feared, and therefore, eradicated.

They even made a movie to encourage you toward this end... or so I hear..

Have fun drinking iniquity like it was water.. Lord knows if you see us as a diverse people wanting only the best for all of us as Americans, you won't be doing the will of the puppet masters pulling your strings.
No, it is not about all Republicans at all. Your assessment is wrong. I think most Republicans are decent people and that many voted for Trump because they feel left behind as the 1% gets richer, and the middle class is decreasing and poor are hurt more. They wanted change. But I don't think they are getting it. I would differ probably in why many are left behind as I think it is about the greed of the wealthy, "trickle down economics' that is not trickling down, and a disregard of the middle class and the poor. The swamp is worse that ever.

However, despite all those decent folks, there are groups that are extreme and racist. Right now, the extreme on the right feels empowered or their rhetoric is empowering to individuals who buy into that view and act. Their rhetoric is finding its way into the police, military, politicians and policy.

What I think needs to be done is to recognize that the groups exist, and to counteract their rhetoric. I would think Christians on the right would want to resist those type of groups and teach the opposite of hate.

Tell me, how is ignoring white nationalism helping us see the US as a diverse people wanting only the best for all Americans?
 
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Looks like all these articles are designed with one thing in mind - to convince you that those who vote republican are inhuman, the "other" who should be feared, and therefore, eradicated.

They even made a movie to encourage you toward this end... or so I hear..

Have fun drinking iniquity like it was water.. Lord knows if you see us as a diverse people wanting only the best for all of us as Americans, you won't be doing the will of the puppet masters pulling your strings.
No, it was a parody of Right-wing fears that Liberals want to eradicate them.
 
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Why would that be even a remote thought in your ideas ?

Behind Trump, Hillary was next in electoral votes. Therefore, without Trump votes, the Hillary votes would have determined the winner.

Yes, since the first century, God's people have refrained from politics.

No, not ever since. I've been around for several decades and haven't seen that. In fact, my own Grandmother told me when I turned 18 that it's my duty to vote.
 
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No, it is not about all Republicans at all. Your assessment is wrong. I think most Republicans are decent people and that many voted for Trump because they feel left behind as the 1% gets richer, and the middle class is decreasing and poor are hurt more. They wanted change. But I don't think they are getting it. I would differ probably in why many are left behind as I think it is about the greed of the wealthy, "trickle down economics' that is not trickling down, and a disregard of the middle class and the poor. The swamp is worse that ever.

However, despite all those decent folks, there are groups that are extreme and racist. Right now, the extreme on the right feels empowered or their rhetoric is empowering to individuals who buy into that view and act. Their rhetoric is finding its way into the police, military, politicians and policy.

What I think needs to be done is to recognize that the groups exist, and to counteract their rhetoric. I would think Christians on the right would want to resist those type of groups and teach the opposite of hate.

Tell me, how is ignoring white nationalism helping us see the US as a diverse people wanting only the best for all Americans?


I've seen a black man (whom I was freinds with in RL) be called a racist for his political views, I have been told by someone who has never so much as read a Qur'an that I don't know Islam (keep in mind this is my former religion prior to being saved, and I was told this when I was still a practicing Muslim) and I've seen my husband be called a "white nationalist" for his political views by ignorant people online..(he is anything but I can assure you)

Now that we have this thing called the internet and we can speak to all manner of people without seeing the person your speaking to, everything and everyone seems to be getting all these crazy labels, all because we disagree.

The most dangerous thing of all is to label all who disagree with your ideology as hateful racist bigots because it takes away their very humanity in your mind, and then anything to oppose their ideas becomes acceptable.

And I've seen it time and time again, and see it in all these articles posted on the first page.. it's about labeling the other side of the political spectrum as something evil, and making you fear and hate them.

It is dangerous, and is itself evil being perpetrated on you.. and you all seem to feed on it instead of truth.
 
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No, it was a parody of Right-wing fears that Liberals want to eradicate them.

Or maybe a dog-whistle to Liberals about something they could do? Just imagine if someone who identified as liberal went on a shooting spree after seeing that movie! It would be so interesting to watch the MSM and Hollywood try to defend making the movie afterwards.
 
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Just imagine if someone who identified as liberal went on a shooting spree after seeing that movie! It would be so interesting to watch the MSM and Hollywood try to defend making the movie afterwards.
Nah. The mainstream media simply doesn't report what they don't want to report.

The mainstream media didn't report on the "Green" manifesto from the El Paso shooter. The mainstream media also didn't report on the leftism and Satanism of the Dayton shooter.
 
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I've seen a black man (whom I was freinds with in RL) be called a racist for his political views, I have been told by someone who has never so much as read a Qur'an that I don't know Islam (keep in mind this is my former religion prior to being saved, and I was told this when I was still a practicing Muslim) and I've seen my husband be called a "white nationalist" for his political views by ignorant people online..(he is anything but I can assure you)

Now that we have this thing called the internet and we can speak to all manner of people without seeing the person your speaking to, everything and everyone seems to be getting all these crazy labels, all because we disagree.

The most dangerous thing of all is to label all who disagree with your ideology as hateful racist bigots because it takes away their very humanity in your mind, and then anything to oppose their ideas becomes acceptable.

And I've seen it time and time again, and see it in all these articles posted on the first page.. it's about labeling the other side of the political spectrum as something evil, and making you fear and hate them.

It is dangerous, and is itself evil being perpetrated on you.. and you all seem to feed on it instead of truth.

No, it is about labeling a problem viewpoint that is hateful to others, whom God loves, as evil, and it is not a viewpoint that is held by most Republicans. It is inspiring extremists to commit awful acts though.
 
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A myth at best.

Yahuweh says not to seek to do things the way the heathen nations/ other peoples (not led by Yahuweh) do things. Israel was punished when they decided to anyway.

Americans are punished A LOT for turning away from Yahuweh, trusting in themselves or some ungodly system. Greatly increased oppression of the poor, increased sexual perversion, increased abortion, increased divorce which God hates, increased lies in politics and religious groups, increased deception en masse for TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS ....

This is the same type of reasoning I've heard from people who say Christians shouldn't vote, have a job, use money to make purchases, watch TV, or any number of other things. It just follows the idea that being a Christian means to not be able to have or do anything.
 
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