It Is Going To Get Worse

[Kentonio]

Why do you continue mis-representing what I said?

If you find an error in what I posted, then please let me know.

You’re the one misrepresenting what the FBI said. You picked a few lines out of context and tried to claim a conclusion that was different to the FBIs.

There is no logical reason for you to have done that unless you disliked their conclusion and wished to try and undermine it.

 

[NightHawkeye]

You’re the one misrepresenting what the FBI said. You picked a few lines out of context and tried to claim a conclusion that was different to the FBIs.

How so?

 

[Aldebaran]

No, a solution would be to stop the destructive ideology - which is easier said than done. For starters, I think we need to understand what make it attractive to some members of our society.

Good idea! Why do people who mistakenly get called "he" when they believe themselves to be a "she" insist upon labeling the person who made the mistake as a hater? Why are those who view Christ as their savior receive so much ridicule for being who they are? Why are white people being targeted as being "racist" for even thinking that the culture of certain other races may be leading to their downfall, even if they're willing to help to change it by lending a helping hand?

 

[Kentonio]

How so?

At no point have the FBI described White Nationalism as ‘dead’. That however is the conclusion you drew and tried to support by referencing the Klan.

Why would you try and claim White Nationalism was dead when the FBI clearly believe the opposite given that they are still prioritizing it?

 

[NightHawkeye]

At no point have the FBI described White Nationalism as ‘dead’. That however is the conclusion you drew and tried to support by referencing the Klan.

Why would you try and claim White Nationalism was dead when the FBI clearly believe the opposite given that they are still prioritizing it?

Ok. Let's assume your perspective, then.

Can you name some white supremacy organizations within the US?

 

[FreeinChrist]

You mean like The Right Stuff, Identity Evropa, Patriotic Front and the White Boy Society?

 

[FreeinChrist]

And what about the American Freedom Party - a party for white people?

 

[NightHawkeye]

Do continue ... about the threat each poses.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Are you going to say words don't matter? That they don't influence folks like Dylan Roof, Timothy McVeigh, John T. Earnest, Gregory Bowers, James Fields Jr., and many more?

Look it up. You can start here:
'White power ideology': why El Paso is part of a growing global threat

 

[yougottabekidding]

You mean like The Right Stuff, Identity Evropa, Patriotic Front and the White Boy Society?

Or on the other side:

CAIR
Muslim Brotherhood
Black Live Matter
any number of other organizations who do not want a person who is white, Christian or straight.

There's two sides to every coin.

Remember when the Black Panthers blocked doorways to polling places carrying clubs and in some cases rifles? No voter intimidation here.

BOTH sides have their extreme Waco's - the left and the press have decided on a rhetoric that paints the President in a certain light, though he has publicly spoken out against that side.

 

[FreeinChrist]

The question was about white nationalism in the US as if it is dead. I name just a few of a long list. Groups like the The Right Stuff, The American Freedom party and Identity Evropa have state organizations in many states

Or on the other side:

CAIR
Muslim Brotherhood
Black Live Matter
any number of other organizations who do not want a person who is white, Christian or straight.

There's two sides to every coin.

Remember when the Black Panthers blocked doorways to polling places carrying clubs and in some cases rifles? No voter intimidation here.

BOTH sides have their extreme Waco's - the left and the press have decided on a rhetoric that paints the President in a certain light, though he has publicly spoken out against that side.

Never denied it. But what violence as CAIR (Counsel on American Islamic Relations) done in America? What has the Muslim Brotherhood done in America?
The Black Panthers have not really been a group since about 1977. The New Black Panthers are not sanctioned by the old, and has changed. Now in 2008, 2 members were at a doorway, no guns, and ended up charged with voter suppression, but those charges were thrown out.

Who has Black Lives Matter killed? They are confrontational protesters when a black person is killed by police, but who have they killed?

 

[NightHawkeye]

Are you going to say words don't matter? That they don't influence folks like Dylan Roof, Timothy McVeigh, John T. Earnest, Gregory Bowers, James Fields Jr., and many more?

Look it up. You can start here:
'White power ideology': why El Paso is part of a growing global threat

That didn't take long. Are you agreeing with me then that the organizations are powerless? It's the isolated lone wolves that cause fear?

Are you suggesting that freedom of speech needs to be restricted ... perhaps hate speech should be banned ... so that lone wolves can't self-radicalize?

 

[FreeinChrist]

You are playing games, NHE.

 

[NightHawkeye]

You are playing games, NHE.

Not at all.

You seem to be suggesting that speech needs to be restricted. I merely articulated it clearly and asked if that's what you meant so that we could have that discussion. If you meant something else then I hope you'll let me know what that was.

 

[Aldebaran]

And what about the American Freedom Party - a party for white people?

Plenty of organizations for black people can be named. The TV channels BET and Bounce. Ebony Magazine. Black Lives Matter, the NAACP. All organizations for black people. Not a complete list by any means, so here's a list of 28: 28 Organizations That Empower Black Communities

Here's an even bigger list: Category:African-American organizations - Wikipedia

 

[FreeinChrist]

Plenty of organizations for black people can be named. The TV channels BET and Bounce. Ebony Magazine. Black Lives Matter, the NAACP. All organizations for black people. Not a complete list by any means, so here's a list of 28: 28 Organizations That Empower Black Communities

Here's an even bigger list: Category:African-American organizations - Wikipedia

Those are just names of African American organizations promoting African Americans but not at the expense of others.

Read the thread.


The American Freedom Party is a white supremacist party. American Freedom Party

The group is now led by a coterie of prominent white nationalists, including corporate lawyer William D. Johnson, virulent anti-Semite Kevin MacDonald and white nationalist radio host James Edwards. David Duke’s former right-hand man, Jamie Kelso, helps with organizing. The party has big plans to run candidates nationwide.....

The American Freedom Party (formerly American Third Position, A3P) was officially formed in October 2009, but its foundations were laid five months earlier. In May 2009, a racist skinhead group named Freedom 14 created the Golden State Party (GSP) in order to establish what was meant to be a respectable white nationalist political party. Members of Freedom 14, which organized via the hate Web forum Stormfront, were known for handing out anti-immigration flyers with white supremacist themes in Orange County, Calif....

The A3P wants all immigration to cease immediately and for all undocumented immigrants to be deported as soon as possible. Its members believe that whites deserve a nation of their own and that non-whites endanger white culture and society. To mitigate this threat, the party wants to offer financial incentives for recent immigrants to return to the countries where they came from.

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They are anti-semetic and anti- anyone not Northern European white (Aryan).

The topic here, in case one needs reminding, is about this article:

A Reformed White Nationalist Says the Worst Is Yet to Come

 

[Aldebaran]

Those are just names of African American organizations promoting African Americans but not at the expense of others.

Read the thread.


The American Freedom Party is a white supremacist party. American Freedom Party

The group is now led by a coterie of prominent white nationalists, including corporate lawyer William D. Johnson, virulent anti-Semite Kevin MacDonald and white nationalist radio host James Edwards. David Duke’s former right-hand man, Jamie Kelso, helps with organizing. The party has big plans to run candidates nationwide.....

The American Freedom Party (formerly American Third Position, A3P) was officially formed in October 2009, but its foundations were laid five months earlier. In May 2009, a racist skinhead group named Freedom 14 created the Golden State Party (GSP) in order to establish what was meant to be a respectable white nationalist political party. Members of Freedom 14, which organized via the hate Web forum Stormfront, were known for handing out anti-immigration flyers with white supremacist themes in Orange County, Calif....

The A3P wants all immigration to cease immediately and for all undocumented immigrants to be deported as soon as possible. Its members believe that whites deserve a nation of their own and that non-whites endanger white culture and society. To mitigate this threat, the party wants to offer financial incentives for recent immigrants to return to the countries where they came from.

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They are anti-semetic and anti- anyone not Northern European white (Aryan).

The topic here, in case one needs reminding, is about this article:

A Reformed White Nationalist Says the Worst Is Yet to Come

If it's done with race or skin color as the foremost consideration in mind, then it's done at the expense of "others", as in other races and skin colors.

 

[FreeinChrist]

If it's done with race or skin color as the foremost consideration in mind, then it's done at the expense of "others", as in other races and skin colors.

no, that is not true - though I image that if you have the view that unless Northern European whites must dominate and control everything and every one else must be subservient, then you might see those organizations as a problem, along with women's groups. If you feel that Northern Europeans are 'us' and everyone else is 'other', you would have a problem with the existence of those groups as well.

Gee, imagine that African Americans might be unhappy with slavery or the later Jim Crow laws.

 

[Aldebaran]

no, that is not true - though I image that if you have the view that unless Northern European whites must dominate and control everything and every one else must be subservient, then you might see those organizations as a problem, along with women's groups. If you feel that Northern Europeans are 'us' and everyone else is 'other', you would have a problem with the existence of those groups as well.

Gee, imagine that African Americans might be unhappy with slavery or the later Jim Crow laws.

Actually, that is not my view. My view is that everyone should be treated equally. Race-based organizations and companies are clearly formed to favor one race over another, which is racism. If you feel that it's ok for certain races and skin colors to do that while other races and skin colors would be wrong for doing the same thing and that they'd be racist, then how are you in favor of equality?

 

[FreeinChrist]

Actually, that is not my view. My view is that everyone should be treated equally. Race-based organizations and companies are clearly formed to favor one race over another, which is racism. If you feel that it's ok for certain races and skin colors to do that while other races and skin colors would be wrong for doing the same thing and that they'd be racist, then how are you in favor of equality?

That is nice. Not accurate in your assessment though.

While the Jim Crow laws existed to keep African Americans subjugated to whites, organizations were needed to assist them attaining EQUALITY with whites. NOT SUPERIORITY BUT EQUALITY.
What was pointed out in the OP is that are groups who are existing to promote Northern European whites as superior to others (others). The denial that these groups exist to promote whites over others that I am seeing on the right shows the OP is correct.

Do you think that the Women Suffragettes were sexist because they were protesting and campaigning for equal voting rights with men?