It Is Going To Get Worse

[wing2000]

...meanwhile, what do you propose we do to counter an ideology that calls for Hispanics to leave the United States?

The El Paso shooter's family was apparently unaware of his dabling in White Nationalist ideology:

Crusius’s relatives have decried “the destruction Patrick did” and condemned the ideas described in the online statement.

“Patrick’s actions were apparently influenced and informed by people we do not know, and from ideas and beliefs that we do not accept or condone, in any way,” his family said in a statement released through an attorney. “He was raised in a family that taught love, kindness, respect, and tolerance — rejecting all forms of racism, prejudice, hatred, and violence.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...235e18-bac9-11e9-b3b4-2bb69e8c4e39_story.html


If it can happen to a family in suburban Allen, Texas, it can han happen anywhere.

 

[Basil the Great]

We can only hope and pray that things do not get worse.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

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[NightHawkeye]

The first one that would surprise if true, is the Father in heaven, and also Jesus our one and only Savior the Messiah , King of the Jews.

The world might yes, be desolate for a thousand years, but Yahuweh saves a remnant for Himself. Not of deists, but of little children who trust Him and abide in Him and His Word abides in them.

Assuming you're referencing the millennial kingdom here, desolation is perhaps not ruled out. I've occasionally wondered whether the "bottomless pit" referenced might relate to oil, but I digress ...

Herewith, the corresponding scripture for anyone unfamiliar:

And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.​

 

[FreeinChrist]

The article is an interview with a reformed White Nationalist and is from The Atlantic:

A Reformed White Nationalist Says the Worst Is Yet to Come

Christian Picciolini has been working to rescue people who have become entrapped in the White Nationalism ideology for the last thirty years. His insight on the issue is a warning for all.

His last comment sums it up nicely: "I really think we need to get away from using the term lone wolves, because while they are single actors, they are part of a larger ecosystem. I just think it’s going to get worse before it gets better. They’re all trying to outdo each other, not just the last person, but Timothy McVeigh. Terrorists will always find another way to do it. I have to ask myself, Do we have white-nationalist airline pilots? There have to be. I knew people in powerful positions, in politics, in law enforcement, who were secretly white nationalists. I think we’d be stupid and selfish to think that we don’t have those in the truck-driving industry."

It makes one wonder how far the white supremacist view has grown in the US:

State Department worker unmasked as white supremacist, civil rights group says

The news about Matthew Q. Gebert, 38, came a day after researchers from the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Hatewatch program revealed he allegedly used the pseudonym “Coach Finstock” on white nationalist forums and hosted parties at his Virginia home for like-minded individuals.....


Hatewatch researchers were able to link Gebert to “Coach Finstock” by tying several Twitter accounts operated with some form of that handle to him, and by playing samples of his voice from appearances as “Coach Finstock” on white nationalist podcasts such as “The Fatherland” to people who know him.

Gebert also was a leader of a Washington-area chapter of The Right Stuff, a network founded by neo-Nazi blogger Michael Peinovich, aka Mike Enoch, three sources told Hatewatch.

“[Whites] need a country of our own with nukes, and we will retake this thing lickety split,” “Coach Finstock” said on a May 2018 episode of “The Fatherland,” Hatewatch revealed. “That’s all that we need. We need a country founded for white people with a nuclear deterrent. And you watch how the world trembles.”
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One in four troops sees white nationalism in the ranks

Nearly one in four troops polled say they have seen examples of white nationalism among their fellow service members, and troops rate it as a larger national security threat than Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan, according to a new Military Times poll.

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It sure is a concern.

 

[wing2000]

Nearly one in four troops polled say they have seen examples of white nationalism among their fellow service members, and troops rate it as a larger national security threat than Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan, according to a new Military Times poll.

....how can a military unit fight effectively if some members think the others are the enemy?

 

[NightHawkeye]

It makes one wonder how far the white supremacist view has grown in the US:

State Department worker unmasked as white supremacist, civil rights group says

The news about Matthew Q. Gebert, 38, came a day after researchers from the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Hatewatch program revealed he allegedly used the pseudonym “Coach Finstock” on white nationalist forums and hosted parties at his Virginia home for like-minded individuals.....
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Just what an informant would do. He could really be with the FBI, while the State Department job merely serves as cover. Think about it, one of the first things a real white nationalist would do is get to know the background of any associate.

Does anyone really think no lessons were learned from the FBI takeover of the KKK?

 

[Aldebaran]

....how can a military unit fight effectively if some members think the others are the enemy?

A fellow service member's views are hardly more of a concern than the enemy that is firing missiles in their direction.
Don't forget that there was recently a concern about transsexual and gay people in the military causing a lower morale. That idea was seen as bigoted. Why should this be really any different?

 

[FreeinChrist]

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Just what an informant would do. He could really be with the FBI, while the State Department job merely serves as cover. Think about it, one of the first things a real white nationalist would do is get to know the background of any associate.

Does anyone really think no lessons were learned from the FBI takeover of the KKK?

hmmm....

from the end of the article:

The Hatch Act restricts State Department employees from taking part in some political activities while working for the federal government. And while it’s not clear if Gebert crossed that line, it appears he was aware he was risking his career by embracing white nationalism, according to the Hatewatch report.

“There are bigger things than a career and a paycheck, and I don’t want to lose mine,” Gebert said on an episode of “The Fatherland” recorded in August 2017, according to Hatewatch. “I am prepared to lose mine. Because this is the most important thing to me in my life … in tandem with my family, of course.”
“There are bigger things than a career and a paycheck, and I don’t want to lose mine,” Gebert said on an episode of “The Fatherland” recorded in August 2017, according to Hatewatch. “I am prepared to lose mine. Because this is the most important thing to me in my life … in tandem with my family, of course.”​

 

[wing2000]

A fellow service member's views are hardly more of a concern than the enemy that is firing missiles in their direction.
Don't forget that there was recently a concern about transsexual and gay people in the military causing a lower morale. That idea was seen as bigoted. Why should this be really any different?

Unit cohesion is threatened when soldiers don't treat each other as equal worth on the field of battle.

 

[Aldebaran]

Unit cohesion is threatened when soldiers don't treat each other as equal worth on the field of battle.

Would a solution be to exclude a group who brings their differences with them when they join the service?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Ah, got it. Our zealots are created only in the presence of 'illegal immigrants'. So how do our zealots know which people are 'illegal immigrants' and which are not? The reports I've seen about these acts of domestic terrorism seem to be more random than just targeting 'illegal immigrants'.

It is more like they just want to kill people...any people. So maybe we shouldn't turn the country over to....people.

You have to look at the big picture.

 

[wing2000]

Would a solution be to exclude a group who brings their differences with them when they join the service?

No, a solution would be to stop the destructive ideology - which is easier said than done. For starters, I think we need to understand what make it attractive to some members of our society.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

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[Kentonio]

After eight years of Obama having white nationalism as his number 1 terrorist priority, I suspect "White Nationalism" is about where the KKK was in the 1960s - DEAD.

For those unaware:
The FBI Crushed the Klan and Should Target Violent White Supremacists Today

At some point in the late 1960s, you could be forgiven for thinking that the FBI was running the KKK.

It infiltrated, manipulated, and ran the Klan into the ground. The name of the operation: COINTELPRO–White Hate (cointelpro meant counter-intelligence program).
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The effort was comprehensive and no-holds-barred. In his history of the FBI, Tim Weiner writes that “the FBI dangled small fortunes before potential KKK informers, offered outright bribes to Klansmen who could serve as double agents inside state and local police forces, planted bugs and wiretaps in Klaverns, carried out black-bag jobs to steal membership lists and (on at least one occasion) dynamite caches.”
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The FBI acquired hundreds of Klan informants, accounting for at least 6 percent of the membership, probably more. According to one FBI official, “There would be a Klan meeting with ten people there, and six of them would be reporting back the next day.”​

The article has this telling statement:

These self-radicalizing freaks ...​

Which means there is no organization to infiltrate any more. (Any so-called KKK march may actually be more of an FBI march.) The FBI has already testified to congress that White Nationalism remains their number 1 terrorist priority.

I’m interested in exactly why people like yourself seek to politicize who the FBI determines are the theats they most need to protect against. If the FBI believe based on their intelligence that white nationalists are a high threat, then they should be prioritizing that. Do you have the intelligence data they have? Or are you perhaps just a guy sitting behind a keyboard judging professionals you know little or nothing about, based purely on your personal political beliefs?

Also I’m curious what your reaction would be if the FBI did as you wish and stopped prioritizing white nationalism, and then there was another Oklahoma style bombing with massive casualties. Would you then happily clear the FBI of all responsibility, or would you perhaps be screaming for their heads?

 

[NightHawkeye]

I’m interested in exactly why people like yourself seek to politicize who the FBI determines are the theats they most need to protect against.

I'm not politicizing how the FBI sets it priorities at all.

It appears the FBI has done such a good job of neutralizing and controlling "white supremacy" that the only threats from it now come from "self-radicalized" isolated lone wolves who are less white supremacists than they are mental cases.

 

[Kentonio]

I'm not politicizing how the FBI sets it priorities at all.

It appears the FBI has done such a good job of neutralizing and controlling "white supremacy" that the only threats from it now come from "self-radicalized" isolated lone wolves who are less white supremacists than they are mental cases.

Your own post finished by saying the FBI were still prioritizing white nationalist threats, yet you decided to editorialize your own opinions about it being not a serious threat based on a few lines you felt suited your purpose.

Simple question: do you support the FBI being the ones who should be determining threat priorities or don’t you?

 

[NightHawkeye]

Your own post finished by saying the FBI were still prioritizing white nationalist threats, yet you decided to editorialize your own opinions about it being not a serious threat based on a few lines you felt suited your purpose.

Simple question: do you support the FBI being the ones who should be determining threat priorities or don’t you?

I support questioning government decisions of all kinds. How about you?

 

[Kentonio]

I support questioning government decisions of all kinds. How about you?

I certainly don’t support trying to hinder sensible operation of government agencies for political purposes, no. If you have a solid reason for questioning a government decision then great, go ahead and question it. Trying to twist a sensible decision into something dubious though does nothing to help anyone.

Out of curiousity, did you feel the same need to question the FBI’s threat priorities when they were prioritizing Islamic terrorism, or is your desire to ‘question government decisions of all kinds’ perhaps somewhat selective?

 

[NightHawkeye]

I certainly don’t support trying to hinder sensible operation of government agencies for political purposes, no. If you have a solid reason for questioning a government decision then great, go ahead and question it. Trying to twist a sensible decision into something dubious though does nothing to help anyone.

Out of curiousity, did you feel the same need to question the FBI’s threat priorities when they were prioritizing Islamic terrorism, or is your desire to ‘question government decisions of all kinds’ perhaps somewhat selective?

Why do you continue mis-representing what I said?

If you find an error in what I posted, then please let me know.