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Israel-Hamas Thread II

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If you research what happened to thousands of Muslim women and girls during the Bosnian War, you will find that the atrocities committed against them were equally as sadistic, if not more so, as what Hamas did to some of the victims in Israel. I was going to provide some links to some of the testimonies of survivors and witnesses, but they are too graphic and may violate forum rules.
No need to reach back 30 years. The injuries found on the remains and among the surviving women (specifically tears between vagina and anus or into the bladder) directly parallel those common in contemporary conflicts in Africa with similar acts of sexual violence.
 
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If you research what happened to thousands of Muslim women and girls during the Bosnian War, you will find that the atrocities committed against them were equally as sadistic, if not more so, as what Hamas did to some of the victims in Israel. I was going to provide some links to some of the testimonies of survivors and witnesses, but they are too graphic and may violate forum rules.

That is why I hesitated to talk about it...
 
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Yes though there are those well armed well protected illegal Israeli settlements in the West Bank where one of their main entertainments is to attack and kill less well armed Palestinians who can be shot dead by the IDF for throwing stones.
Or saying that they threw stones? Reminds me of the police report about a guy who they said committed suicide. 'He shot himself three times in the head and once in the back' :)
 
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Yes... but that is not the whole story...

God uses unredeemed nations to achieve His purpose.
His purpose is not to commit terrorism and blow up civilians. His purpose according to the bible is to throw Israel into the great tribulation. So yes, unredeemed Israel seems to be helping with that. All the neighboring countries are fuming mad and talking tough.
 
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Do you think the rumor concerning the Ben Gurion waterway has anything to it? It seems to have been re-proposed recently back in 2021 when that ship got stuck in the Suez Canal for a couple of weeks, then dropped.

I don't think it works as a rationale to squeeze Gaza further, but it is cropping up mostly as anti-American/anti-Israeli rhetoric. The line goes above Gaza and doesn't touch the West Bank.

I didn't know about this. Nasser did close Suez to Israeli vessels and that led to the Six Day War. This would be a huge engineering project that would take many years and Egypt at least may well oppose it. There is much offshore gas off the Gaza coast and it could be said that this is all about gas.

Behind Israel’s ‘end game’ for Gaza: Theft of offshore gas reserves
 
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"Security camera footage published by the IDF earlier this week showed Shifa medics consorting with Hamas gunmen in apparent camaraderie. One medic wearing scrubs is seen celebrating the arrival of a hostage, dragged and manhandled by Hamas terrorists."

People need to understand that many Palestinians support the jihad and the actions of Hamas.

 
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Whoa, whoa, whoa...there weren't many Americans getting blown out of their armchairs in the US. But many citizens were deliberately killed in their own homes in the UK and Germany for no other reason than to try and destroy moral. My home town in the UK was flattened a number of times and hundreds killed, a few in my actual street. My parents and grandparents often spent the night huddled in a corrugated iron bomb shelter partly buried in our back garden. I always remember that if my grandmother watched a TV programme that had the sound of an air raid siren, she would become visibly upset.

There may have been 'front lines' but the war wasn't restricted to those areas. The whole of Europe was a battleground. The Germans obliterated Coventry (the centre, not the industrial outskirts) because the British had bombed Munich. So then they bombed Dresden. For no other reason than revenge. It was simply madness. Hundreds of thousands of non combatants, men, women and children incinerated. War crimes in my opinion. Read this from the man who organised these attacks, Head of the RAF, 'Bomber' Harris:

'I ... assume that the view under consideration is something like this: no doubt in the past we were justified in attacking German cities. But to do so was always repugnant and now that the Germans are beaten anyway we can properly abstain from proceeding with these attacks. This is a doctrine to which I could never subscribe.'

Wonderful position, eh? They are beaten...but we're still going to bomb their cities.
Like I said, armchair combatants who aren't in the front lines. It's sure easy to tell a country what they should do to defeat a relentless remorseless army of you are not the one being attacked and it's not you on the front lines with your blood and body on the line.

I stated there would be leftists who would absolutely think what the allies did that was wrong. See I was right.

And by the way this isn't what Israel is doing, but that hasn't stopped so many on the left making those claims anyway.
 
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Hamas is not prophesied to get saved one day in the future Israel is. So suggesting they get with His plan ASAP is appropriate.
Yup by killing Jews and trying to destroy Israel. Pretty clear where you stand.
Israel has been doing also.
Yeah the opposite of Hamas. Yet you are for Hamas.
So? If they wanted to ride moonbeams and eat only strawberry custard and never work another day in their lives, does that mean anything? Oppressed people having a little blah blah bravado is not big news
Except these people have rockets and guns. And committed genocidal attacks thus continually working towards their goals. I know it was no big deal that two planes crashed in to the twin towers. Who cares.

What Hamas and the Palestinians have done is inexcusable and any country or government who doesn't visit justice upon the evil doers isn't fulfilling scriptures purpose.

Israel is.
 
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"Security camera footage published by the IDF earlier this week showed Shifa medics consorting with Hamas gunmen in apparent camaraderie. One medic wearing scrubs is seen celebrating the arrival of a hostage, dragged and manhandled by Hamas terrorists."

People need to understand that many Palestinians support the jihad and the actions of Hamas.

People need to understand that the fog of war is impenetrably dense but will clear over time.
 
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"Security camera footage published by the IDF earlier this week showed Shifa medics consorting with Hamas gunmen in apparent camaraderie. One medic wearing scrubs is seen celebrating the arrival of a hostage, dragged and manhandled by Hamas terrorists."

People need to understand that many Palestinians support the jihad and the actions of Hamas.

“Do you support Hamas’ glorious mission to free the people of Gaza or do you wish to be a hostage?” is the “choice” people are given.
 
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I stated there would be leftists who would absolutely think what the allies did that was wrong. See I was right.
No. And again, no. You aren't right. You are very wrong indeed because all you see is one side. All you saw was a 'leftist' complaining about allied actions when it was clearly a point about criminal actions by both sides.

You don't excuse the actions by one side in any conflict by comparing it to what the other side has done. You don't use their actions to justify yours. I'm obviously horrified by what Hamas has done. But what they have done is completely irrelevant in regard to how we should consider what Israel is doing.

Post after post is nothing but people pointing out the horrors of what Hamas has done in some twisted attempt to justify what Israel is doing. It's irrelevant. It's a schoolyard level argument. 'But sir, you can't blame me for breaking the window. Jimmy broke three of them'. Is this what passes for considered discussion these days?

Is this what Is meant by a measured respose? You measure how many innocents you can justify killing by measuring it against how many they killed?
 
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You are in saying that Hamas did something unpresented in their violence against women.


I am familiar with the acts that Hamas carried out in their incursion, they didn't invent new atrocities.

Did you watch the video ???
 
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Yup by killing Jews and trying to destroy Israel. Pretty clear where you stand.
Try honestly addressing posts you respond to. What was said was that is was appropriate to hope Jewish people (Israel) get saved as soon as possible. (ASAP) They do not get saved by killing anyone, but by accepting and believing in Jesus.
Yeah the opposite of Hamas. Yet you are for Hamas.
Dishonest and false accusation that has zero merit, since it was stated many times I do not support terrorism on either side. Hamas does not even rank thinking about for me, the concern is the mountains of people killed and terrorized by Israel in Gaza. If God sends vile unbelieving nations to punish Israel for this crime, I would not consider it unwarranted or unjust at all.
Except these people have rockets and guns.
Babies have no rockets or guns. Civilians either. You just invoke that to demonize the victims.
And committed genocidal attacks thus continually working towards their goals.
Pot, meet kettle. The attack by Israel on a large population would better fit the genocide word.
I know it was no big deal that two planes crashed in to the twin towers. Who cares.
Yes and one day we will find out who did it. (as opposed to useful idiots used in the operation)
What Hamas and the Palestinians have done is inexcusable and any country or government who doesn't visit justice upon the evil doers isn't fulfilling scriptures purpose.
The babies are not evildoers. Israel needs to arrest the murderers, not force a population to relocate and kill families. I see that among the Palestinian 'prisoners' released there are women and children. Does that tell you anything?
Israel is.
Israel is not meting out justice by any wicked stretch of the imagination. They are sowing the wind and will reap the whirlwind.
 
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Like I said, armchair combatants who aren't in the front lines. It's sure easy to tell a country what they should do to defeat a relentless remorseless army of you are not the one being attacked and it's not you on the front lines with your blood and body on the line.
It's sure easy to criticize, blame, and condemn Palestinians for allowing Hamas to remain in power and launch attacks from Gaza when they don't live in their communities and they are not the ones under the constant threat of themselves or their family members being Hamas' next victim.
 
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Did you watch the video ???
No nor am I going to do so as, again, I’m not here to watch videos. If you’re too squeamish to discuss a topic don’t bring it up.
 
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Ah but Israel decided to put them all in one big camp.



Israel writer: Gaza is a concentration camp
Oh good grief not even the same thing WWII. The Jews were harmless but they were forcibly removed from Germany IN Germany and put behind barbed wire in barracks then tortured daily, experimented in and eventually murdered.

The Palestinians are on land they control. They build cities and govern themselves. There are Palestinians that live in Israel. The wall was built for PROTECTION because the Palestinians can't control themselves and have to find ways to murder Jews.

When Israel withdrew from Gaza they left green houses all set up to help with food etc and the Palestinians destroyed them.

It's preposterous notion they are in some sort of concentration camp.
 
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No nor am I going to do so as, again, I’m not here to watch videos. If you’re too squeamish to discuss a topic don’t bring it up.

It is against the rules but your refusal speaks volumes in any case.
 
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Oh good grief not even the same thing WWII. The Jews were harmless but they were forcibly removed from Germany IN Germany and put behind barbed wire in barracks then tortured daily, experimented in and eventually murdered.

The Palestinians are on land they control. They build cities and govern themselves. There are Palestinians that live in Israel. The wall was built for PROTECTION because the Palestinians can't control themselves and have to find ways to murder Jews.

When Israel withdrew from Gaza they left green houses all set up to help with food etc and the Palestinians destroyed them.

It's preposterous notion they are in some sort of concentration camp.
No airport. No seas access. Restricted border crossings etc etc
 
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