Israel-Hamas Thread II

[Nithavela]

Israel blows up Gaza's last university with a controlled explosion meaning they had control of the building. This was not a Hamas threat it is part of the programme of making Gaza uninhabitable and destroying Palestinian culture.

Gaza destruction risks lost generation of children, says UN official

Really? The israely army used it as a "center for snatching up civilians"? Lol.

 

[Desk trauma]

Really? The israely army used it as a "center for snatching up civilians"? Lol.

Something to do with getting one of the ingredients for matzah I heard.

 

[JosephZ]

So Israel only controls not quite half of Gaza. Well that is a sight more than when they started.

It's currently under 40% and still doesn't include all of Gaza City in the north. Even in areas that the IDF claims to have control rockets are still being launched into Israel and clashes with militants continue.

In recent weeks, Hamas in northern Gaza has launched a barrage of rockets into Israeli airspace from areas Israel forces had worked to clear... Hamas, for its part, has no intention of ceding Gaza. By the looks of things now, it may well survive Israel’s military campaign with some of its military assets intact. Yahya Sinwar, Hamas’s chief in Gaza and the architect of the Oct. 7 attack, has every intention of waiting out the Israelis and trading the Israeli hostages Hamas took that day for thousands of jailed Palestinians and a cessation of hostilities... the traumas of Oct. 7 and what it has wrought will sear a generation of Israelis and Palestinians for years to come, driving them deeper into conflict, terror, and violence and further away from the security and peace they’ve long been denied.


Israel claims that it has killed more than 9,000 Hamas operatives and members of other terror groups.


In addition to the armed wing of Hamas, which had an estimated strength of about 30,000 before October 7th, there is also the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Popular Resistance Committee, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, and the Palestinian Mujahideen Movement. All of these terrorist groups have militant wings, and when taken into account with Hamas, they add up to a combined total of more than 50,000 armed militants inside the Gaza strip. This means that 80% of the armed militants of these groups have survived the IDF's military campaign so far.

There would be thousands of militants who have been wounded and are no longer able to fight, but there would also be thousands of new militants being recruited and joining these groups that would offset some of the losses on the battlefield.

The tunnels?

The Israeli military has been surprised by the extent, depth and quality of the tunnel network beneath Gaza.

Israeli officials and soldiers who have since been in the tunnels — as well as current and former American officials with experience in the region — say the scope, depth and quality of the tunnels built by Hamas have astonished them. Even some of the machinery that Hamas used to build the tunnels, observed in captured videos, has surprised the Israeli military.

The Israeli military now believes there are far more tunnels under Gaza.

In December, the network was assessed to be an estimated 250 miles. Senior Israeli defense officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters, are currently estimating the network is between 350 and 450 miles — extraordinary figures for a territory that at its longest point is only 25 miles. Two of the officials also assessed there are close to 5,700 separate shafts leading down to the tunnels.

It will be interesting to see what they do with those. My thoughts would be to Pump them full of sea water. There a lot of water in the ocean.

This has already been tried.

Recent attempts to demolish the tunnels by flooding them with seawater have failed... it could take years to disable the tunnel system.

Keep going Israel. Dont give up!

“It will take us years to dismantle this, since Hamas is deeply embedded within the population, and we will also need to stay in the Strip from a security perspective for decades; there is no other mechanism that can provide the security we need in Gaza. Therefore, there will be no choice but to operate there for years,” -- Professor Gabi Siboni, a senior fellow at the Jerusalem Institute for Strategy and Security who holds the rank of colonel (res.)

 

[JosephZ]

World court does not order ceasefire in Gaza - but demands Israel takes all measures to prevent acts of genocide

The ruling by judges at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) comes at an early stage in South Africa's case alleging that Israel's military action in its war with Hamas in Gaza is genocidal.

The court ruled it has jurisdiction to hear arguments and it therefore denied Israel's request that it throws out the case. It ordered Israel to take all measures within its power to prevent genocide.

Israel has been ordered to report back to the court within one month.

The court ruled:

· Israel must take all measures within its power to prevent the act of genocide (15 votes to 2)

· Israel must ensure that the military does not commit acts of genocide (15 votes to 2)

· Israel must take all measures within its power to prevent or punish incitement of genocide (16 votes to 1)

· Israel must ensure humanitarian assistance to Gaza (15 votes to 1)

· Israel must prevent the destruction of allegations of acts of genocide (15 votes to 2)

 

[rjs330]

It's currently under 40% and still doesn't include all of Gaza City in the north. Even in areas that the IDF claims to have control rockets are still being launched into Israel and clashes with militants continue.

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In recent weeks, Hamas in northern Gaza has launched a barrage of rockets into Israeli airspace from areas Israel forces had worked to clear... Hamas, for its part, has no intention of ceding Gaza. By the looks of things now, it may well survive Israel’s military campaign with some of its military assets intact. Yahya Sinwar, Hamas’s chief in Gaza and the architect of the Oct. 7 attack, has every intention of waiting out the Israelis and trading the Israeli hostages Hamas took that day for thousands of jailed Palestinians and a cessation of hostilities... the traumas of Oct. 7 and what it has wrought will sear a generation of Israelis and Palestinians for years to come, driving them deeper into conflict, terror, and violence and further away from the security and peace they’ve long been denied.


Israel claims that it has killed more than 9,000 Hamas operatives and members of other terror groups.


In addition to the armed wing of Hamas, which had an estimated strength of about 30,000 before October 7th, there is also the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Popular Resistance Committee, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, and the Palestinian Mujahideen Movement. All of these terrorist groups have militant wings, and when taken into account with Hamas, they add up to a combined total of more than 50,000 armed militants inside the Gaza strip. This means that 80% of the armed militants of these groups have survived the IDF's military campaign so far.

There would be thousands of militants who have been wounded and are no longer able to fight, but there would also be thousands of new militants being recruited and joining these groups that would offset some of the losses on the battlefield.


The Israeli military has been surprised by the extent, depth and quality of the tunnel network beneath Gaza.

Israeli officials and soldiers who have since been in the tunnels — as well as current and former American officials with experience in the region — say the scope, depth and quality of the tunnels built by Hamas have astonished them. Even some of the machinery that Hamas used to build the tunnels, observed in captured videos, has surprised the Israeli military.

The Israeli military now believes there are far more tunnels under Gaza.

In December, the network was assessed to be an estimated 250 miles. Senior Israeli defense officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters, are currently estimating the network is between 350 and 450 miles — extraordinary figures for a territory that at its longest point is only 25 miles. Two of the officials also assessed there are close to 5,700 separate shafts leading down to the tunnels.



This has already been tried.

Recent attempts to demolish the tunnels by flooding them with seawater have failed... it could take years to disable the tunnel system.


“It will take us years to dismantle this, since Hamas is deeply embedded within the population, and we will also need to stay in the Strip from a security perspective for decades; there is no other mechanism that can provide the security we need in Gaza. Therefore, there will be no choice but to operate there for years,” -- Professor Gabi Siboni, a senior fellow at the Jerusalem Institute for Strategy and Security who holds the rank of colonel (res.)

What there were tunnels under hospitals? Who knew? Well at least we know what Hamas was doing with all the aid sent to the area. They weren't making Palestine a better place.

I wonder why flooding wasn't working. Sure it's going to take a long time. But flooding them would make the unusable.

 

[Laodicean60]

They remind me of the Japanese soldiers in WW2.

Japanese died for their country not a fantasy.

 

[Aussie Pete]

Japanese died for their country not a fantasy.

Really? Japan started the Pacific war. Their soldiers were dying because of the militaristic ambitions of their leaders. There is a difference morally in defending your country and being the aggressor. Japan's fantasy was that they could take over vast areas of the Pacific and maintain control. The logistics of this venture were breathtaking. If they'd left America alone, they might just have got away with it. I'm glad that they failed.

 

[Aussie Pete]

What there were tunnels under hospitals? Who knew? Well at least we know what Hamas was doing with all the aid sent to the area. They weren't making Palestine a better place.

I wonder why flooding wasn't working. Sure it's going to take a long time. But flooding them would make the unusable.

Flooding tunnels could turn Gaza into the world's biggest sink hole. Israel is already condemned for daring to defend itself against psychotic murderers. Imagine the outcry if the whole of Gaza collapsed into a pit.

 

[Laodicean60]

Really? Japan started the Pacific war. Their soldiers were dying because of the militaristic ambitions of their leaders

I think it was more of a battle for resources, not religion.

Japan's fantasy was that they could take over vast areas of the Pacific and maintain control.

Unfortunately, it's the West's fantasy to instill our beliefs and our way of life in the whole world.

 

[Laodicean60]

If they'd left America alone

Everyone would be speaking German.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Japanese died for their country not a fantasy.

They believed in the divinity of their emperor so.....yeah, fantasy.

 

[Laodicean60]

They believed in the divinity of their emperor so.....yeah, fantasy.

Is it anything like what we believe with Trump and Biden?

 

[rjs330]

Flooding tunnels could turn Gaza into the world's biggest sink hole. Israel is already condemned for daring to defend itself against psychotic murderers. Imagine the outcry if the whole of Gaza collapsed into a pit.

Lol, good point. But then they'd kind of deserve it for choosing a homicidal regime.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Is it anything like what we believe with Trump and Biden?

I dunno....you believe they are a divinity?

 

[civilwarbuff]

Flooding tunnels could turn Gaza into the world's biggest sink hole. Israel is already condemned for daring to defend itself against psychotic murderers. Imagine the outcry if the whole of Gaza collapsed into a pit.

That don't sound so bad. They could build a theme park around a man-made salt water lake. People could ride the 'Hamas Humdinger'.....take a walk on the 'PA Palisade'.....have a 'Hezbollah Hot Dog' when hungry. Real potential money-maker there.......

 

[Laodicean60]

I dunno....you believe they are a divinity?

Sometimes I wonder in these forums they seem to be worshiped. The Emperor of Japan was just a religious figurehead. If you look at Japan's history the wars they fought were over expansionism be they were fascist militant.

Middle Eastern countries do it for religion you've heard the term big satan and little satan.

 

[rjs330]

World court does not order ceasefire in Gaza - but demands Israel takes all measures to prevent acts of genocide

The ruling by judges at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) comes at an early stage in South Africa's case alleging that Israel's military action in its war with Hamas in Gaza is genocidal.

The court ruled it has jurisdiction to hear arguments and it therefore denied Israel's request that it throws out the case. It ordered Israel to take all measures within its power to prevent genocide.

Israel has been ordered to report back to the court within one month.

The court ruled:

· Israel must take all measures within its power to prevent the act of genocide (15 votes to 2)

· Israel must ensure that the military does not commit acts of genocide (15 votes to 2)

· Israel must take all measures within its power to prevent or punish incitement of genocide (16 votes to 1)

· Israel must ensure humanitarian assistance to Gaza (15 votes to 1)

· Israel must prevent the destruction of allegations of acts of genocide (15 votes to 2)

Well that should be easy to do. They are pretty much doing that now.

 

[civilwarbuff]

 

[Vanellus]

That don't sound so bad. They could build a theme park around a man-made salt water lake. People could ride the 'Hamas Humdinger'.....take a walk on the 'PA Palisade'.....have a 'Hezbollah Hot Dog' when hungry. Real potential money-maker there.......

Maybe Israel should build some gas chambers to deal with the "psychotic murderers" and their children of course, and film it for Israeli pay tv.

 

[Vanellus]

Belgium calls for a ceasefire in Gaza and Israel's response? Bomb the Belgian relief agency building in Gaza!
(Well what's one more bombed building in Gaza)

Belgian development agency in Gaza destroyed by bomb

You need to look closely (and know where Belgium is!) Naughty Belgium had also stated they were going to continue to support UNWRA despite unsubstantiated allegations against 12 out of 13,000 UNWRA workers in Gaza.