Islamphobia

[smaneck]

People who identify as Buddhists have no standing when it comes to counseling Christians on discernment from the Holy Spirit.

Why not? The fruits of the spirit are there for everyone to observe.


5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

(King James Bible, Galatians)

Nobody is seeing this from you, Zaac.

 

[TG123]

Correction. Comparing them to Muslim extremist groups is fair not Muslim groups in general.

Thank you for the correction, I meant to write that.

 

[TG123]

But that truth is a bit more inclusive:


62. Those who believe (in the Qur'án) and those who follow the Jewish (Scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians, and who believe in Allah and the last day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 2)

Does this apply to Christians, Sabians and Jews today; or only those who lived before Muhammad came and brought Islam?

 

[mathetes123]

Pbuh stands for "Peace be upon him." Muslims consider it disrespectful to refer to a Prophet without a blessing like that. The fact she referred to some behavior as 'unchristlike' demonstrates that the author does consider Jesus to be the Christ (meaning Messiah.) The Qur'an itself refers to Jesus as the Messiah.

Unfortunately this is not the same Jesus as the Jesus of the Bible. Muslims say he is only a prophet and they say he is neither God nor the Son of God. Why don't you tell people the role the Muslim Jesus will have in Islamic end time prophecy alongside the Mahdi?

 

[smaneck]

I don't think it is fair to compare the EDL to Islamic Countries that have been rooted and grounded in their false teachings for centuries and the extreme beliefs that they act out.

Actually, the intolerance being shown in these countries is mostly a new thing. Wahhabis didn't get control of Arabia until 1924. Before that Wahhabism was considered a dangerous heresy. Where Islamism (as opposed to Islam) has taken hold elsewhere have mostly been in failed states like Somalia and Afghanistan. In Iran it was a reaction to an oppressive monarchy. Christians and Jews lived peaceably in Egypt until fairly recently, but the position of Jews became untenable with the establishment of the State of Israel and Christians have been increasingly subjected to popular violence as the political situation in Egypt became more unstable. What a lot of outsiders don't understand is that targeting religious minorities is frequently a way of undermining the state.

 

[smaneck]

Unfortunately this is not the same Jesus as the Jesus of the Bible. Muslims say he is only a prophet

A Prophet means a good deal more in the Islamic context than it does in Christianity. Most Muslims regard Prophets as sinless, for instance. But yes, they do not believe in the deity of Christ.

Why don't you tell people the role the Muslim Jesus will have in Islamic end time prophecy alongside the Mahdi?

That depends on which Muslim you talk to. Mawdudi (one of Ben Laden's ideologues) wrote in the Finality of Prophethood that Jesus will join the Mahdi to lead Muslims in the Battle of Armaggedon. I should add that The Finality of Prophethood was written to refute Ahmadi Muslims (who believe that Ghulam Ahmad is both the Return of Christ and the Mahdi) and Baha'is who see the Bab and Baha'u'llah fulfilling that role.

 

[smaneck]

Does this apply to Christians, Sabians and Jews today; or only those who lived before Muhammad came and brought Islam?

Given the fact that this verse is repeated in three different suras of the Qur'an I would say that it is taken to be a timeless principle.

But I guess it wouldn't apply to Sabians anymore since there aren't any.

 

[TG123]

Given the fact that this verse is repeated in three different suras of the Qur'an I would say that it is taken to be a timeless principle.

But I guess it wouldn't apply to Sabians anymore since there aren't any.

However, Christians believe Jesus is the Son of God, and that He is God in the flesh. Christians also do not accept all of Islam's teachings. Neither for that matter do Jews. Does that not mean according to Islam, Christians and Jews are going to hell?

What does the Bahaii faith teach about heaven and hell? Just curious.

 

[mathetes123]

A Prophet means a good deal more in the Islamic context than it does in Christianity. Most Muslims regard Prophets as sinless, for instance. But yes, they do not believe in the deity of Christ.



That depends on which Muslim you talk to. Mawdudi (one of Ben Laden's ideologues) wrote in the Finality of Prophethood that Jesus will join the Mahdi to lead Muslims in the Battle of Armaggedon. I should add that The Finality of Prophethood was written to refute Ahmadi Muslims (who believe that Ghulam Ahmad is both the Return of Christ and the Mahdi) and Baha'is who see the Bab and Baha'u'llah fulfilling that role.

What role will this future Islamic Jesus have with the nation of Israel? How will he resolve the current differences between the Jews and Muslims? What about the Christians?

 

[smaneck]

However, Christians believe Jesus is the Son of God, and that He is God in the flesh. Christians also do not accept all of Islam's teachings. Neither for that matter do Jews. Does that not mean according to Islam, Christians and Jews are going to hell?

There is one passage from the Qur'an which is sometimes taken to mean this. I would say that most Muslims see this passage as applying only to those Jews and Christians who are going out of their way to attack Islam. Of course, there are some Muslims like some Christians who think they are the only ones who are saved.

What does the Bahaii faith teach about heaven and hell? Just curious.

Baha'is believe that heaven is nearness to God and hell is separation from Him. That applies to this world and to the next.

 

[smaneck]

Do you realize that those countries aligned with the Antichrist of the Bible are all muslim countries today.

Au contraire. The only place where the Antichrist is mentioned in the Bible is in John's epistles where he is associated with the gnostic docetists.

And what does the Muslim Jesus do to those who don't convert to Islam?

According to the hadith Jesus will abolish the jaziyah or poll-tax imposed on non-Muslims.

 

[smaneck]

What role will this future Islamic Jesus have with the nation of Israel? How will he resolve the current differences between the Jews and Muslims? What about the Christians?

Since the state of Israel didn't exist at the time the Qur'an was revealed neither it or the hadith have anything to say about it. But Mawdudi believed that the Battle of Armaggedon will be fought over Israel. Armaggedon is famous battlefield in Israel. The last Battle of Armaggedon was fought in 1918 during WWI. The one before that was fought in against the Mongols in the year 1260. (Does that number ring a bell?)

It is a mistake, btw, to see the conflict between Arabs and Israelis as a conflict between Jews and Muslims. A lot of Palestinians are Christians. Prior to the rise of Hamas, the Christian wing of the PLO (PFLP) was considered the most militant wing and the one behind many of the air-craft hijackings of the '60's and '70's. Also, the Baath Party to which both Sadam Hossein and Assad belonged was founded by Palestinian Christians.

 

[mathetes123]

Au contraire. The only place where the Antichrist is mentioned in the Bible is in John's epistles where he is associated with the gnostic docetists.



According to the hadith Jesus will abolish the jaziyah or poll-tax imposed on non-Muslims.

The Muslim Jesus will abolish the poll tax because all will be required to convert to Islam or die.

Here are some of the Muslim beliefs concerning their understanding of Jesus when he returns:

Now let’s review the various defining characteristics and actions of the Muslim Jesus upon his return to the earth:

1. Jesus is said to return to the earth in the last-days near a mosque in Damascus.
2. He will arrive at a time when the Mahdi and his army will be preparing to pray.
3. He will be offered to lead the prayer by the Mahdi, but will decline in direct deference to the Mahdi who Jesus declares to be the leader of the Muslims.
4. He will then pray behind the Mahdi as a subordinate.
5. He will be a faithful Muslim
6. He will make pilgrimage to Mecca.
7. He will visit Muhammad’s grave, and salute Muhammad, whereby Muhammad will return the salute from the grave.
8. He will destroy Christianity.
9. He will repeal the jizyah tax thus causing the only option for Jews and Christians to convert to Islam or die.
10. He will establish Islamic Shari’ah (Law) throughout the entire earth.
11. He will kill the Antichrist and his followers made up largely of Jews and women.
12. He will remain on the earth for roughly forty years, during which time he will marry, have children and then die.

Chapter Six

 

[smaneck]

The Muslim Jesus will abolish the poll tax because all will be required to convert to Islam or die.

The hadith does not say this.

Here are some of the Muslim beliefs concerning their understanding of Jesus when he returns:

I would not consider 'answering-islam' to be the best source for what Muslims believe. Most of the sources cited there are pretty obscure. There are ahadith which refer to Jesus breaking crosses and killing swine, but nothing that says he will kill Christians and Jews.

 

[mathetes123]

The hadith does not say this.



I would not consider 'answering-islam' to be the best source for what Muslims believe. Most of the sources cited there are pretty obscure. There are ahadith which refer to Jesus breaking crosses and killing swine, but nothing that says he will kill Christians and Jews.

The author cited sources for that understanding. You will need to respond to the sources.

Breaking crosses refers to outlawing Christianity. The dhimmi tax is protection money paid by non-Muslims. Why would they wait until the end times to eliminate the protection money if they were going to allow any faith but Islam?

Clearly, the Jesus referred to in the Koran is not the same as the Jesus of the Bible.

 

[entosedse]

Did You Know christians, judists, budist, cathlics, للمسيحيون هل تعلمون ! - YouTube

 

[smaneck]

The author cited sources for that understanding. You will need to respond to the sources.

Only one of those sources appeared to be sahih.

Breaking crosses refers to outlawing Christianity.

The hadith doesn't say that.

I found this hadith however:

"Mutual hatred and rancour will disappear. The ability to injure will be
removed from every injurious thing. Thus a boy will touch a snake and it
will not injure him, and a girl will run from a lion and it will not
harm her; and the wolf will be with the sheep, as though it is their
sheep-dog. And the earth will be filled with peace, just as water fills
a jug. And the word will be one, and only God will be worshipped, and
war will lay down its burdens."
This hadith can be found in Ibn Májah, Sunan, 36 - Kitáb al-Fitan, ch. 33, no. 4077, vol. 2, p.
1362. Similar Shi`i Traditions include Shaykh al-Mufíd, Kitáb al-Irshád,
pp. 343-4

 

[mathetes123]

Did You Know christians, judists, budist, cathlics, للمسيØ[bless and do not curse]يون هل تعلمون ! - YouTube

 

[mathetes123]

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

Funny how "It's not nice to be mean to muslims" threads tend to become "But Christians are jerks" threads.