Islamphobia

[smaneck]

Mr Bakr was kind enough to answer some tough questions and recognized that theological differences exist between the qur'an and the bible.

There are theological differences between the Old Testament and the New Testament as well. It doesn't stop me from believing they are both from God.

 

[smaneck]

So now its islam's turn? What comes after islam?

Baha'i.

 

[smaneck]

My mistake; but somehow that reality doesn't sink in for you.

I grew up hearing about Catholics and Protestants killing each other in Northern Ireland. It didn't destroy my faith in Christ. Should it have?

 

[SanFrank]

You do realize that US drones are killing Pakistani children on a regular basis and that this is one of the reasons why there is so much tension between the two countries?

You're basing your submission to god on this invented conspiracy? Show me a source that confirms the highlighted terms you used. I think the american public would be interested in knowing that the US is killing indiscrimanantly as you suggest. Even here, is that a reason for the 7 yr old pakistani boy's death?

Nonsense.

Concern over condition of four detainees arrested in AOG church of Ahwaz
The above is a recent development where a christian church is being attacked, it's people being rounded up, sequestered and murdered. I'm sure the moderate muslim public is sitting on the side-lines cheering on; otherwise they should be coming to the christians' defense. Am I wrong?

The groups who pronounce takfir against fellow Muslims show themselves to be heretics. This is what the Kharijite heresy taught and both Sunnis and Shi'ites rightly condemned it.

So one group recognized the fallacy; since when do muslims honor the opinions of other muslims? or for how long? This reminds me of the arab league monitors that report no violence in Syria; all the while sunni are laying their dead children on the front hoods of the monitors' cars.

 

[SanFrank]

There are theological differences between the Old Testament and the New Testament as well. It doesn't stop me from believing they are both from God.

I don't see any theological differences. I thought Paul made that pretty clear in the book of Hebrews.

 

[smaneck]

You're basing your submission to god on this invented conspiracy?

Did I say anything about a conspiracy?

Show me a source that confirms the highlighted terms you used.

The number of Pakistani children killed by American drones is currently 175.

US Drones Killing Children in Pakistan: One Reporter's Story | | AlterNet

I think the american public would be interested in knowing that the US is killing indiscrimanantly as you suggest.

I didn't say we were killing indiscriminately. It's called collateral damage. I suspect the terrorists behind the 7 yr old Pakistani boy's death call it the same thing.

Even here, is that a reason for the 7 yr old pakistani boy's death?

Nope but we might pay attention of what Jesus said about taking the beam out of our our own eye.

This reminds me of the arab league monitors that report no violence in Syria;

What are talking about? The Arab League Monitors are saying nothing of the sort!

Arab League calls emergency Syria meeting - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

Maybe you should stop watching Fox News!

 

[Zaac]

And what is your excuse for lacking in these things?

Non Christians aren't qualified to measure such things. Again, you didn't even know that you as a non Christian aren't generating any fruits of the Spirit so why would anyone think you would recognize them?

I'm not one of those timid people who is afraid to preach God's truth in fear of hurting feelings. I will continue to boldly preach in alignment with God's word.

What I recognize is that there is a Muslim, a Buddhist, a Catholic and a crypto-Lutheran here who all exhibit those qualities yet you do not.

What I recognize is that you're absent the Holy Spirit an have no discernment for the things of Christ.

 

[Whisper of Hope]

The fruits of the Spirit are borne of the Spirit. If you don't have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, then you don't have the fruit.

So again, those of you who bow at the feet of false gods can save your counseling cause none of it is to be received from Christians.

You don't even recognize that you're incapable of having the fruits of the Spirit so again I'm not too concerned about what those who lack the Holy Spirit see or think they see.

Zaac, you do not compromise the Christian faith to appease others, especially those who are not of God nor do you sacrifice the absolute truths of God's Word on the altars of political correctness and tolerance. You are not afraid to defend our faith and proclaim the Gospel in this age of increasing moral and spiritual relativism. We both know that the absolute truths revealed in God's Word are socially unacceptable and offensive. I want to encourage you to keep fighting the good fight of faith, being completely covered in the full armor of God, wielding the Sword of the Spirit to pull down the strongholds of the devil. If we are mocked, insulted, and persecuted for His name's sake, than we are blessed to suffer for Him. And may we never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to us, and us to the world.

If we were still a part of this world, than we would not have a struggle with it nor with the devil. If we were friends with the world, we would flow with it rather than against it, and therefore we would not have tribulation in it. If we didn't "live godly in Christ Jesus," we wouldn't suffer persecution. We would not be hated for His name's sake, because our lives would be no different from those who are of the world. If we would not "depart from iniquity" (2 Timothy 2:19) and we continued to live according to the flesh, we wouldn't have to struggle to deny fleshly desires. Neither would we have to wrestle against the devil. In fact, Satan would be pleased with what he sees, because he wouldn't have to fight against us.

We must continue to preach the absolute truths of God's Word, which include the message of sin, God's righteousness and judgment with the command to repent and flee from the wrath to come. It is always grace for the humble and the Law of God for the proud. Keep fighting the good fight of faith, brother. And remember Ephesians 6:10-20. Jesus has already overcome this world and we are more than conquerors through Him.

 

[smaneck]

Non Christians aren't qualified to measure such things.

Sorry. You may imagine that we can't discern who's exhibiting joy, who is patient or kind, when someone is being gentle and humble but we can. Do you really think you can persuade of us of the truth of your religion when you clearly can't even acknowledge our own reality?

I'm not one of those timid people who is afraid to preach God's truth in fear of hurting feelings.

Since what you are saying about me is not true, there is no reason for me to believe you know anything about God's truth.

All I see in you is arrogance.

 

[Zaac]

Really? The Mosque where I live is interested in interfaith issues and held a memorial service for a Rabbi after his passing on account of the friendship that exists between the Muslim and Jewish community where I live.

And I guarantee that you don't live in a community where sharia law rules, and the Muslims practice Islam the way that Muhammad and the Qur'an says it is to be practiced.

Contrary to all the false marketing, Islam, as the Qur'an intends for it to be practiced is not peaceful and they are not looking to peacefully coexist with non-Muslims.

Gosh why do yall think the crazy man in Iran is so intent on wiping Israel and the Jews off the face of the earth? True practicing Muslims get their direction from the Imams and they aren't trying to coexist with non-Muslims.

 

[smaneck]

I don't see any theological differences. I thought Paul made that pretty clear in the book of Hebrews.

Paul didn't write the Book of Hebrews. Sure that text attempts a harmony, but if you are working from the Tanak itself, it doesn't work.

 

[Whisper of Hope]

Non Christians aren't qualified to measure such things. Again, you didn't even know that you as a non Christian aren't generating any fruits of the Spirit so why would anyone think you would recognize them?

I'm not one of those timid people who is afraid to preach God's truth in fear of hurting feelings. I will continue to boldly preach in alignment with God's word.

What I recognize is that you're absent the Holy Spirit an have no discernment for the things of Christ.

Amen brother.

And again 1 Corinthians 2:14.

 

[Zaac]

Zaac, you do not compromise the Christian faith to appease others, especially those who are not of God nor do you sacrifice the absolute truths of God's Word on the altars of political correctness and tolerance. You are not afraid to defend our faith and proclaim the Gospel in this age of increasing moral and spiritual relativism. We both know that the absolute truths revealed in God's Word are socially unacceptable and offensive. I want to encourage you to keep fighting the good fight of faith, being completely covered in the full armor of God, wielding the Sword of the Spirit to pull down the strongholds of the devil. If we are mocked, insulted, and persecuted for His name's sake, than we are blessed to suffer for Him. And may we never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to us, and us to the world.

If we were still a part of this world, than we would not have a struggle with it nor with the devil. If we were friends with the world, we would flow with it rather than against it, and therefore we would not have tribulation in it. If we didn't "live godly in Christ Jesus," we wouldn't suffer persecution. We would not be hated for His name's sake, because our lives would be no different from those who are of the world. If we would not "depart from iniquity" (2 Timothy 2:19) and we continued to live according to the flesh, we wouldn't have to struggle to deny fleshly desires. Neither would we have to wrestle against the devil. In fact, Satan would be pleased with what he sees, because he wouldn't have to fight against us.

We must continue to preach the absolute truths of God's Word, which include the message of sin, God's righteousness and judgment with the command to repent and flee from the wrath to come. It is always grace for the humble and the Law of God for the proud. Keep fighting the good fight of faith, brother. And remember Ephesians 6:10-20. Jesus has already overcome this world and we are more than conquerors through Him.

And the people of God are doing a Holy Ghost dance as my Sister continues to straight preach the word!!!

 

[steve_bakr]

Non Christians aren't qualified to measure such things. Again, you didn't even know that you as a non Christian aren't generating any fruits of the Spirit so why would anyone think you would recognize them?

I'm not one of those timid people who is afraid to preach God's truth in fear of hurting feelings. I will continue to boldly preach in alignment with God's word.

What I recognize is that you're absent the Holy Spirit an have no discernment for the things of Christ.

How can you be the judge of whether someone has the Holy Spirit? Be careful, our Lord is the only judge. I have witnessed the fruits of the Spirit in people of other religions than Christianity. Even the grandfather of evangelical Christianity--Jonathan Edwards--after working with American Indians as a missionary, said that salvation is not restricted to those who call themselves Christians. Christianity, as our Lord taught us, is a matter of the heart, and it begins with compassion.

 

[Zaac]

I didn't say I was shocked, I said Jesus would be shocked.

(SMH) Why would ALL-KNOWING God be shocked at what He knew I was going to say?

In fact I think he would say, "I don't know you."

Again, I don't concern myself with what people think. I preach what God KNOWS. He has me in the palm of His hand and all the naysayer talk in the world can't remove me.

He desires that all people confess their sins and repent, and trust that He was crucified and on the third day rose in Glory so that men could be forgiven and receive eternal life.

I don't PM people unless they contact me first.

K.

 

[Zaac]

How can you be the judge of whether someone has the Holy Spirit?

If you tell me you are of the Bahai faith, I can righteously judge that you lack the Holy Spirit.

Be careful, our Lord is the only judge.

15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments. 1 Cor. 2:15

Contrary to popular opinion, we ARE to judge, but to do so righteously. It is impossible to make ANY decision without passing judgment about something.

I have witnessed the fruits of the Spirit in people of other religions than Christianity.

No you haven't. The fruits of the Spirit are generated by the Spirit. If you don't have the Holy Spirit, then no fruit is being generated.

Even the grandfather of evangelical Christianity--Jonathan Edwards--after working with American Indians as a missionary, said that salvation is not restricted to those who call themselves Christians.

Salvation is restricted to those who have gone through Jesus Christ. And absent His indwelling, there will be no fruits of the spirit generated.

Christianity, as our Lord taught us, is a matter of the heart, and it begins with compassion.

Christianity as our Lord taught it is a matter of HIM and begins with HIM and confession and repentance.

 

[Whisper of Hope]

If you tell me you are of the Bahai faith, I can righteously judge that you lack the Holy Spirit.

15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments. 1 Cor. 2:15

Contrary to popular opinion, we ARE to judge, but to do so righteously. It is impossible to make ANY decision without passing judgment about something.

No you haven't. The fruits of the Spirit are generated by the Spirit. If you don't have the Holy Spirit, then no fruit is being generated.

Salvation is restricted to those who have gone through Jesus Christ. And absent His indwelling, there will be no fruits of the spirit generated.

Christianity as our Lord taught it is a matter of HIM and begins with HIM and confession and repentance.

Amen!

 

[mathetes123]

Zaac, you do not compromise the Christian faith to appease others, especially those who are not of God nor do you sacrifice the absolute truths of God's Word on the altars of political correctness and tolerance. You are not afraid to defend our faith and proclaim the Gospel in this age of increasing moral and spiritual relativism. We both know that the absolute truths revealed in God's Word are socially unacceptable and offensive. I want to encourage you to keep fighting the good fight of faith, being completely covered in the full armor of God, wielding the Sword of the Spirit to pull down the strongholds of the devil. If we are mocked, insulted, and persecuted for His name's sake, than we are blessed to suffer for Him. And may we never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to us, and us to the world.

If we were still a part of this world, than we would not have a struggle with it nor with the devil. If we were friends with the world, we would flow with it rather than against it, and therefore we would not have tribulation in it. If we didn't "live godly in Christ Jesus," we wouldn't suffer persecution. We would not be hated for His name's sake, because our lives would be no different from those who are of the world. If we would not "depart from iniquity" (2 Timothy 2:19) and we continued to live according to the flesh, we wouldn't have to struggle to deny fleshly desires. Neither would we have to wrestle against the devil. In fact, Satan would be pleased with what he sees, because he wouldn't have to fight against us.

We must continue to preach the absolute truths of God's Word, which include the message of sin, God's righteousness and judgment with the command to repent and flee from the wrath to come. It is always grace for the humble and the Law of God for the proud. Keep fighting the good fight of faith, brother. And remember Ephesians 6:10-20. Jesus has already overcome this world and we are more than conquerors through Him.

Amen!

 

[steve_bakr]

Amen!

The problem I have seen with this thinking is that I saw--in my evangelical days--that there were Christians who used the Name of Jesus as an excuse for being insensitive and even offensive. They would write it off by saying that people were offended by the Name of Jesus. In many cases, however, it was not Jesus that offended people; rather, it was the behavior of some Christians. You may have heard of the prayer: "Dear Lord Jesus, please protect me from your followers."

 

[SanFrank]

Did I say anything about a conspiracy?
The number of Pakistani children killed by American drones is currently 175.
US Drones Killing Children in Pakistan: One Reporter's Story | | AlterNet

I didn't say we were killing indiscriminately. It's called collateral damage. I suspect the terrorists behind the 7 yr old Pakistani boy's death call it the same thing.
Nope but we might pay attention of what Jesus said about taking the beam out of our our own eye.

I would hope you take this last highlighted text in consideration.

The news story you quoted is incredibly biased, never mentioning the presennce of taliban or sunni extremists, or the training of young boys to fight american soldiers. Islam has a history of training its children to do this sort of hordid acts. As a christian, i'm not condoning the military actions of the US, but to be clear, you keep bringing attention back to military conflicts.

This article gives an idea of pakistani childrenn being reared with hatred: Child soldiers trained by the Taliban to kill British soldiers - mirror.co.uk

The first post had to do with moderate muslims being pushed into performing extreme acts at certain times. Since you did not refute, I assume you agree now. However, you seem to approve of such things.

Christians have had their time in history also. A minority are representing the mJority in a volatile region that has been unstable since it's inception. If it were a freethinking society I'm sure this murders would be less, but it's not and Muslims here, at least at my Masjid, don't agree with any of the violence in that region. The Quran speaks against murder of innocence and only allows for war or jihad in instances of unprovoked assault to defend ourselves and there are explicit rules for dealing with prisoners of war. If you're really ignorant enough to believe that the majority of Muslims want to kill people you're a little sick. I want to instill values in my children and learn who God is and I want to have a life of peace and helping other people.

To be true to yourself and your 'allah', you should move to a muslim country and prove your theories. You advocate freethinking (or free speech); go put your words into practice. If you continue to hide such insight within the safe-haven borders of the US, no one will ever know such supposedly 'allah' inspired insight.