Islamphobia

[smaneck]

As for islam taking thier beliefs to an extreme, the EDL pales in comparison. Islam's exploits in pushing their beliefs includes beheading muslims that become christians, a special tax on christians (if any exist in their countries), rape of christian women, forced marriage of raped victims, etc, etc, etc.

If a Christian had converted to Islam back in 16th century Europe, you would most likely have been burned at the stake rather than beheaded. As for the jaziyah on non-Muslims I don't know of a single Muslim country which currently collects that tax. And rape laws in Christian Latin America are at least as bad as anything in the Islamic world.

 

[chelsea89]

Exactly. There is no reason Christians can't share their own religious beliefs without going out of their way to insult other religions.

I would also lsike to add that the insistent knocking at doors and telling fellow coworkers or schoolmates that they're going to hell unless they accept Jesus pbuh does nothing unless that person can intellectually make an argument for why. Most missionaries I've spoken with have no intelligable argument against another elgiong and bash it/ take texts from their sacred books out of context. Shoving beliefs down someone's throat won't make them believe.
And as someone who has read the Christian account of Jesus pbuh the way Christians majority approach this today, ISN'T CHRISTLIKE!

 

[chelsea89]

Sorry for the autocorrected typos. iPads insert things weird.

 

[All4HISglory]

Not defending any of these hate groups, from either side of the issue, but have you looked at the example of Muslim countries throughout the world? Do they provide an example of religious toerance and peaceful coexistence?

I understand what you are saying and I agree. What I'm driving towards are those of a civilized country where Islam is not the founding religion and practices. Those individuals are the ones that I am more so questioning since in theory, freedom of individuality and beliefs is what they have experienced from birth.

I understand that there is a greater work at play. I understand that in some areas, people feel threatened by the teachings of superiority of religions and it is effecting the very life that they are accustomed to and threatens their future. Even with that, I see that more as the war on terrorism and not taking it straight into the communities where some of these people live...peacefully. I don't see the purpose in that except the purpose of conflict. So that's why I'm questioning the real motives of the actions.

Mrs. Richard posting on my iPad using CF

 

[smaneck]

EDL is a protest group and has never done any violence...

That is simply not true. Most of their protests have been associated with violence. Here's another example:

EDL Violence + Racism - YouTube

EDL grows out of the British Football hooligan culture.

 

[smaneck]

Anyone that doesn't see a problem with this is insane,

Of course, there is a problem with Anjem Choudary is as extremist as they come. The Muslim community itself largely repudiates them and current British law is sufficient to handle nuts like him.

 

[smaneck]

TRUE PRACTICING Muslims aren't trying to peacefully coexist with anyone but other Muslims.

That's convenient. All you have to do is define the vast majority of Muslims as not 'true practicing Muslims' and you can easily justify all your bigotry against the community.

 

[All4HISglory]

And this is why I've said for years that people are blinded by what a lot of Muslims are selling as the "new,more peaceful Islam". It is nothing more than a way to get the numbers up, become a large enough voting bloc, and start making demands for Sharia.

I agree with this being extreme. As one if the residents said "if they don't like the laws then move to a place that has those laws."

Mrs. Richard posting on my iPad using CF

 

[smaneck]

And this is why I've said for years that people are blinded by what a lot of Muslims are selling as the "new,more peaceful Islam". It is nothing more than a way to get the numbers up, become a large enough voting bloc, and start making demands for Sharia.

If they are attracting people on the bases of Islam being peaceful the people they attract are not going to form a voting bloc to impose Shariah law. The truth is that those Muslims pushing a peaceful form of Islam (the majority) are a completely different faction from the mujahiddin represented by people like Anjem Choudary.

 

[smaneck]

Perhaps if folks stop murdering babies in the womb their numbers wouldn't be so quickly taken over by the Muslims who generally don't practice birth control or allow for abortions.

Abortion rates are highest in Eastern European countries which typically don't have large Muslim populations.

And every state in the United States needs to pass an anti-Sharia law. The Constitution is and will remain the law of the land.

As long as the Constitution is the law of the land, we don't have to worry about the Sharia, but anti-shariah laws are unconstitutional.

You realize that anti-shariah laws would also outlaw nine out of the Ten Commandments?

 

[All4HISglory]

I would also lsike to add that the insistent knocking at doors and telling fellow coworkers or schoolmates that they're going to hell unless they accept Jesus pbuh does nothing unless that person can intellectually make an argument for why. Most missionaries I've spoken with have no intelligable argument against another elgiong and bash it/ take texts from their sacred books out of context. Shoving beliefs down someone's throat won't make them believe.
And as someone who has read the Christian account of Jesus pbuh the way Christians majority approach this today, ISN'T CHRISTLIKE!

Quick question. Are you intentionally typing Jesus pbuh instead of Jesus Christ?

Also, there is a difference between witnessing according to the spirit of Christ and then just going on your own accord out of flesh. Witnessing is encouraged for all Christians but it is also commanded to walk after the spirit and not the flesh. If people witnessed with the spirit of God, which is love, then you wouldn't the opinion you do. The opinion that you have though just affirms my belief even more that it is unfair to group a whole based off of individuals. There are plenty of intelligent Christians that can effectively spread the gospel with love and truth.

Mrs. Richard posting on my iPad using CF

 

[smaneck]

So, if some EDL supporters do something bad then EDL is bad. If a few Muslims blow up the underground in London and Madrid though, they're not "real Muslims."

Sorry, not an accurate analogy. The analogy to this is that just because some of them members of the EDL are Christians doesn't mean Christians are bad.

I think it is wrong, however, to insist that the terrorists aren't Muslims anymore than I would say that the Crusaders or those who participated in the Inquisition were not Christians. Yes, many Muslims have themselves affirmed this to be the case, for they no more wish to be associated with these acts than most Christians would like to be associated with the bombing of abortion clinics. But there is a danger here. In defining Bin Laden and those like him as not really Muslim, they are ironically becoming like him. What do I mean by this? The kind of religiosity represented by Bin Laden and many other similar Muslim terrorists groups grew out of the Islamic revival movements of the 18th and 19th centuries. While there are a number of differences between these groups, one of the things they share in common is the tendency to pronounce *takfir* against their fellow Muslims. This meant that they declared Muslims who believed differently from them as infidels and apostates, objects of holy war, worthy of death. Because of the value most Muslims place upon the unity of the community most rejected this kind of sectarianism and I submit that they were right to do so. But if such a position is to be consistently upheld we cannot then turn around and say that these people are not Muslims. It would be more accurate and honest to acknowledge that evil and sin exists within the Islamic community just as there is within the Christian community, rather than to make judgments as to who is really Muslim or a Christian. We need to acknowledge that the demarcation line between good and evil runs through each of our own communities and our own hearts, it is an axis which exists ‘out there’ apart from us, and dividing us from them.

 

[smaneck]

Comparing EDL to Muslims is not a fair comparison, comparing EDL to Muslim groups is.

Correction. Comparing them to Muslim extremist groups is fair not Muslim groups in general.

 

[smaneck]

Ok, this is getting intolerably ridiculous. Comparing EDL to Neo-Nazis and Aryan Nations is comparing apples and oranges. EDL ONLY exists because of people like Anjem Choudary saying what they say, and they do not promote violence or hatred.

I'd say that video of one of their protests proves they are indeed promoting violence and hatred. Choudary's group is currently banned in England.

 

[smaneck]

Quick question. Are you intentionally typing Jesus pbuh instead of Jesus Christ?

Pbuh stands for "Peace be upon him." Muslims consider it disrespectful to refer to a Prophet without a blessing like that. The fact she referred to some behavior as 'unchristlike' demonstrates that the author does consider Jesus to be the Christ (meaning Messiah.) The Qur'an itself refers to Jesus as the Messiah.

 

[smaneck]

There is no reason for anyone to try to show you the evils of that false religion. I could care less if it's peaceful. It is sending folks to a burning hell by the hundreds of millions.

You remind me of this logic of medieval Christians burning people at the stake. After all, they were just trying to give sinners one last chance to repent before they burn eternally.

 

[smaneck]

That's the type of statement that someone who says they know Jesus Christ would make but all the while they are really bowing in allegiance to one of those other many false gods.

Uh, Takiri is a Buddhist.

Again, those who worship at the feet of false gods may not know any such thing, but I sure do. Got it straight from the ALL-KNOWING.

Frankly, I think Jesus would be shocked at what you are spouting in his name.

What do I care about experience? My experience, beliefs, feelings, wants, or desires don't mean a hill of beans where GOD has spoken.

Paul is not God.

 

[TG123]

There is no reason for anyone to try to show you the evils of that false religion. I could care less if it's peaceful. It is sending folks to a burning hell by the hundreds of millions.

Like Judaism. And Buddhism, and Hinduism and Mormonism and a multitude of other belief systems. Why do much focus on Islam?

 

[smaneck]

Islam also claims an absolute truth.

But that truth is a bit more inclusive:


62. Those who believe (in the Qur'án) and those who follow the Jewish (Scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians, and who believe in Allah and the last day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

(The Qur'an (Yusuf Ali tr), Surah 2)

 

[TG123]

Or it could be to strengthen interfaith relations. Islam and Buddhism, Judaism for that matter don't say you're damned because you're a Christian so we although have a stake in your perceptions, your conversion or reversion for us isn't a must. It would be nice. So we are here to learn not fill a void.

Does not Islam say you are damned unless you are a Muslim?