Is touching yourself a sin? (2)

[holo]

Somehow, I doubt that.

I know. But I'll tell you what I doubt even more - that GOD has instructed YOU to tell ME that I sin by masturbating.

 

[Gukkor]

I mean that each person decides what is true for themselves based upon their own personal standard, whatever that may be and that standard varies from person to person. Take a peek at the threads on homosexuality in this very forum. There are people there who are denying that the scriptures say that homosexuality is wrong. They are denying God's clear written declaration on the matter and favoring their own wisdom based uopn what they consider to be reasonable.

Ah, I see. Would you consider the idea that God gives different people different convictions (i.e. You may drink alcohol in moderation if you wish, but you should not as it is more dangerous for you) to fall under this same heading?

 

[holo]

What you are saying here is that you are free to sin, holo.

Actually, if you'll read it again, you will see that I say "free FROM sin", not "free TO sin." I have also testified dozens of times about how I've been FREED from various sins.

I am as free from the law and from sin as Adam and Eve were.

You are saying that with every issue we meet in.

Yes, and in every issue we meet in, you talk about freedom from the law as a freedom TO sin. Which it simply is not. Again, don't speak for ME. If you were free from the law, perhaps the natural thing for you to do would be to go and sin. But for me it's the opposite.

You tend to make light of the fact that we do have parameters in Christ

Which parameters? I haven't read about any "parameters" in the bible. I have Christ, I am IN Christ, and Christ is IN me, and He's more than capable of living correctly.

and that we have a responsibility to walk in the light after the example of Jesus Christ.

Sure. And how did Jesus live? He didn't need to check with the law in order to know how to behave. In fact, He didn't do anything of Himself - He saw what the Father did, and did the same.

You are not free to do whatever you jolly well please, holo.

But what I jolly well please is to do good. How about you?

 

[Floatingaxe]

I know. But I'll tell you what I doubt even more - that GOD has instructed YOU to tell ME that I sin by masturbating.

He sure has.

 

[holo]

He sure has.

Tell me how. How did you experience this calling or task or what we may call it?

 

[Floatingaxe]

I am as free from the law and from sin as Adam and Eve were.

Yes, and in every issue we meet in, you talk about freedom from the law as a freedom TO sin.

I absolutely DO NOT. You appear to be universalist. Is that right? You think that once you have your fire insurance, you are free to do whatever you think is good, because after all, you are "saved"!

If you were free from the law, perhaps the natural thing for you to do would be to go and sin. But for me it's the opposite.

We are free from the law that binds us. We are not free to sin, but we are free from the pull of sin on our lives. Because of Christ, we are free to say, "No!" to sin, where we were never free to do so.

But what I jolly well please is to do good. How about you?

Jesus calls us to do good, but to please HIM---not ourselves!

 

[Floatingaxe]

1 John 3:8-9
But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil. Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God.

 

[Zecryphon]

Ah, I see. Would you consider the idea that God gives different people different convictions (i.e. You may drink alcohol in moderation if you wish, but you should not as it is more dangerous for you) to fall under this same heading?

"Ah, I see. Would you consider the idea that God gives different people different convictions (i.e. You may drink alcohol in moderation if you wish, but you should not as it is more dangerous for you) to fall under this same heading?"

No, because with alcohol we know from scriptures that drunkeness is the sin, not the consuming of alcohol. Now, the point at which each person gets drunk does vary from person to person and each person should know their limits. But if they absolutely can not determine their limit or their judgment becomes so impaired from previous drinks that they can not stop themselves then it is best that they not drink at all. But there is no commandment from God that states that a person should never ever ingest alcohol.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Tell me how. How did you experience this calling or task or what we may call it?

We are to warn our erring brethren. Sometimes we discover by doing so, thet they aren't brethren at all. It's a good thing, for that is a great opportunity to give the light of the true gospel of Jesus Christ to bring that person to repentance.

Hebrews 3:13
You must warn each other every day, while it is still “today,” so that none of you will be deceived by sin and hardened against God.


Ezekiel 33:9
But if you warn them to repent and they don’t repent, they will die in their sins, but you will have saved yourself.

 

[holo]

I absolutely DO NOT.

Let me clarify; when I say that I'm free from the law, you seem to take that to mean that I claim to be free to sin.

You appear to be universalist. Is that right?

Nope.

You think that once you have your fire insurance, you are free to do whatever you think is good

It's not so much a fire insurance as a new nature. And this new nature wishes nothing but good. So yes, I am indeed free to do whatever I think is good. In fact, I'm encouraged to do what I think is GOOD.

We are free from the law that binds us. We are not free to sin, but we are free from the pull of sin on our lives. Because of Christ, we are free to say, "No!" to sin

Then we agree!

Since sin takes advantage of the commandment, it's a good thing to be free from the commandment.

Jesus calls us to do good, but to please HIM---not ourselves!

Yes, and He is pleased when we are kind to each other. Take care of the poor, preach the good news, etc.

 

[holo]

We are to warn our erring brethren. Sometimes we discover by doing so, thet they aren't brethren at all. It's a good thing, for that is a great opportunity to give the light of the true gospel of Jesus Christ to bring that person to repentance.

Hebrews 3:13
You must warn each other every day, while it is still “today,” so that none of you will be deceived by sin and hardened against God.


Ezekiel 33:9
But if you warn them to repent and they don’t repent, they will die in their sins, but you will have saved yourself.

OK. Do you do this with every sin you see, or just the sin you suppose masturbation to be. What about churches spending millions on their pretty buildings? What about the people who starve to death because christians watch passively? If it's really your task to warn to repentance, do you live up to that task? Or do you pick and choose this and that particular sin to rant about?

 

[Floatingaxe]

OK. Do you do this with every sin you see, or just the sin you suppose masturbation to be. What about churches spending millions on their pretty buildings? What about the people who starve to death because christians watch passively? If it's really your task to warn to repentance, do you live up to that task? Or do you pick and choose this and that particular sin to rant about?

Quite the opposite of what you may think, I am not jumping on every observed sin I see!

This forum gives us the opportunity to interact on a level where we freely divulge our beliefs, and we are free to speak our minds about what the Lord has taught us.

I will always come against a lie of the devil, on behalf of those who may be influenced by it by reading it--those who are more of the lurker variety than thsoie who actually post. I care about the lies they may be tempted to believe, so they won't go unchallenged by me.

The bonus is that those who are in error regarding their understanding of God's Word will get a correction.

 

[holo]

Quite the opposite of what you may think, I am not jumping on every observed sin I see!

Well, that IS what I think - that you don't jump on every sin you see. Just wondering if you have som particular way of deciding which sins to focus on.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Well, that IS what I think - that you don't jump on every sin you see. Just wondering if you have som particular way of deciding which sins to focus on.

Just blatant ones, that hamper one's forward walk with Jesus. Things that people erroneously believe are right to do.

 

[holo]

Just blatant ones, that hamper one's forward walk with Jesus. Things that people erroneously believe are right to do.

If so, I can't help but wonder how you find the time to focus so much on masturbation.

 

[Jesusrocksmypinksocks]

It's like a mind thing don't worry about it ...

Pay attention to forgiving others, love offerings, reading your bible, glutony, grudges all of these items are much worse sins than a tune up for your soul.

A soul is everything you put into it both good and bad.

Don't worry about it ... worry is a sin you know.

 

[Floatingaxe]

If so, I can't help but wonder how you find the time to focus so much on masturbation.

It isn't my focus at all. What about yourself?

 

[Floatingaxe]

It's like a mind thing don't worry about it ...

Pay attention to forgiving others, love offerings, reading your bible, glutony, grudges all of these items are much worse sins than a tune up for your soul.

A soul is everything you put into it both good and bad.

Don't worry about it ... worry is a sin you know.

What kind of Godly advice is that? Sweeping it under a rug isn't what a Christian does...

 

[Zecryphon]

It's like a mind thing don't worry about it ...

Pay attention to forgiving others, love offerings, reading your bible, glutony, grudges all of these items are much worse sins than a tune up for your soul.

A soul is everything you put into it both good and bad.

Don't worry about it ... worry is a sin you know.

"Pay attention to forgiving others, love offerings, reading your bible, glutony, grudges all of these items are much worse sins than a tune up for your soul."

How is forgiving others a sin? How is a love offering a sin? How is reading your Bible a sin?

 

[Shiversblood]

How is condemning fellow man to hell a sin. For surely God would not send all his male children to hell simply for doing a thing of a nature? Or is that not accurate assumption, where is the direction of this advice, you must attempt to stop masturbaition, but no one does stop, or if they do they are married, or if they are married sometimes they dont stop either, all this backward advice does is make the modern man feel shame of doing natural things. Modern man sometimes gets confused when people tell them false doctrines. Masturbation as a sin is one of those tricky situations where you try to tell the modern man that there is no scripture to back up this claim, yet they refuse to listen and say sin, simply sin, simply sin.