Is touching yourself a sin? (2)

[Nadiine]

He's right there with you both all the time! Feel better?

:o :o

 

[Floatingaxe]

He's right there with you both all the time! Feel better?

:o :o

 

[holo]

The mind generates the behaviour.

It CAN generate the behaviour, just as alcohol addiction can generate the act of drinking. Doesn't mean that neither alcohol nor masturbation sinful.

 

[Floatingaxe]

It CAN generate the behaviour, just as alcohol addiction can generate the act of drinking. Doesn't mean that neither alcohol nor masturbation sinful.

The mind generates all behaviour. It starts with a thought and then leads to a decision. Masturbation is distinct act of the will, and against the natural use of the body that God so lovingly created it for. That is sin.

 

[holo]

The mind generates all behaviour. It starts with a thought and then leads to a decision. Masturbation is distinct act of the will

Yes, just like drinking alcohol is is a distinct act of the will. However, there exists different reasons for doing things, believe it or not.

and against the natural use of the body that God so lovingly created it for.

And you still haven't produced one single evidence or credible source, much less a bible verse, that actually says that.

You're entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to say that your opinion is from the bible when it isn't in fact from the bible.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Yes, just like drinking alcohol is is a distinct act of the will. However, there exists different reasons for doing things, believe it or not.

Glorifying God is the only reason for doing anything...believe it or not.

And you still haven't produced one single evidence or credible source, much less a bible verse, that actually says that.

You're entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to say that your opinion is from the bible when it isn't in fact from the bible.

Not all things are written in scripture. It is the principle that He has given and we are to follow it and apply it to our lives. Are you a baby that needs every little thing written out for you? No. Use wisdom, the kind that the Holy Spirit gives you for the unnamed issues in our lives. Lack of wisdom is the masturbator's downfall.

Jesus is asking, "Do you not love me more than this?" If you answer, "Yes, Lord!" then He will ask you to give it up forever to Him. I do believe that the negativity in this thread is from those who know within that God is requiring them to lay down this behaviour and they are wanting to refuse.

Don't refuse the One who gave everything for you. Don't make it a mountain in your life.

 

[holo]

Glorifying God is the only reason for doing anything...believe it or not.

Do you wash you hair to glorify God? Or do you have some other reason for doing it? How about using perfume?

Not all things are written in scripture. It is the principle that He has given and we are to follow it and apply it to our lives. Are you a baby that needs every little thing written out for you? No. Use wisdom, the kind that the Holy Spirit gives you for the unnamed issues in our lives.

Sure. The Holy Spirit's wisdom doesn't necessarily equal your personal moral opinion about my lifestyle though. And BTW I see no principle about masturbation in the bible.

Jesus is asking, "Do you not love me more than this?" If you answer, "Yes, Lord!" then He will ask you to give it up forever to Him.

Do you love Jesus more than washing your hair?

Don't refuse the One who gave everything for you. Don't make it a mountain in your life.

Frankly, I don't thinkg I'm the one making a mountain out of it...

 

[Nadiine]

Do you wash you hair to glorify God? Or do you have some other reason for doing it? How about using perfume?

Sure. The Holy Spirit's wisdom doesn't necessarily equal your personal moral opinion about my lifestyle though. And BTW I see no principle about masturbation in the bible.

Do you love Jesus more than washing your hair?

Frankly, I don't thinkg I'm the one making a mountain out of it...

Well, I think the issue is what KIND of perfume it is - is it cheap & stinky? Or expensive & fragrant!???


But seriously, I don't think it means every act we do is consciously to "glorify God" --
but taking care of our appearance glorifies God becuz we're taking good care of the 'temple' He gave us.

We glorify God by being presentable in public & not scaring away innocent bystanders by letting ourselves get filthy, smelly and unkempt... where people would be stand-offish towards us & not want to get near us.
How is that providing a good witness for our Lord?

Same with keeping a house from looking like a few grenades were tossed into it & blew up...
Or if you let your house get run down, never cut your lawn and let it turn into a dump... neighbors would be upset and if they know you claim to be a Christian... how does that look?

In a way this stuff does glorify God to "fit in" with others so we can better lead others to Christ than SCARING THEM away.

Just my 3 cents.

 

[Shiversblood]

Not all things are written in scripture. It is the principle that He has given and we are to follow it and apply it to our lives. Are you a baby that needs every little thing written out for you? No.

If it is a sin then it has to be written. Just like a law has to be written in order for it to be broken.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Do you wash you hair to glorify God? Or do you have some other reason for doing it? How about using perfume?

Yes. Because I mean to love myself as a precious child of God, and because my body is the temple for the Holy Spirit to reside in, then I wash my hair and take care of my body for the glory of God. It is the very least we can do for Jesus, as His ambassadors.

Sure. The Holy Spirit's wisdom doesn't necessarily equal your personal moral opinion about my lifestyle though. And BTW I see no principle about masturbation in the bible.

The Holy Spirit's standards regarding sexual purity are the same for all His own. You just refuse to hear Him.

Do you love Jesus more than washing your hair?

I love Jesus more than anything. I wash my hair because it is part of loving myself to be clean. it doesn't dishonour God to wash my hair, and I don't have a problem with fantasizing while doing it. I don't have to hide it, either. The whole world can know I wash my hair.

It's a stupid analogy.

Frankly, I don't thinkg I'm the one making a mountain out of it...

Yes, those things that God asks us to lay down for Him that we refuse become huge mountainous obstacles the longer we disobey. Often, they are actual strongholds that Satan has been given rights to, that need deliverance!

 

[Apollo Celestio]

I can't say whether it is or not, but I think it's gross and stay away from it.

 

[Floatingaxe]

I can't say whether it is or not, but I think it's gross and stay away from it.

Anything that is gross can't be of God. Of course you can say that it is sin.

 

[Shiversblood]

lulz?

 

[Floatingaxe]

If it is a sin then it has to be written. Just like a law has to be written in order for it to be broken.

No.

Does computer hacking, identity theft, car-jacking, hi-jacking, speeding, abusing prescription drugs, internet porn, shooting someone with a gun, therapeutic abortion, partial-birth abortion, ATM robbing, odometer tampering, ballot contamination, credit card fraud, and all manner of 21st century sins get full, itemized coverage in God's written Word?

No.

The principles for all sins are found in the Ten Commandments. We have been given the mind of Christ in all such matters. We need to engage our minds, dontcha think?

Read 'em and weep...

 

[Breetai]

Well, I didn't mean for this to become a support FOR masturbation in any way.
I was just exploring another avenue by bringing in married people to the discussion.
We always assume that just becuz people are "married" that they have perfect sexual fulfillment.. but that's hardly the case for more couples than we might think.
Capability of having the sex doesn't make it fulfilling or even pleasurable for many in their different circumstances that leave them miserable.

I also disagree with the stance that "God intended masturbation". There are things we find to do (sexually in this case) that are outside God's intentions for us.
Sex is intended by God, but not outside His perameters of lawfulness & purity. And if masturbation falls into that category, then just becuz we learn how to do it, doesn't make it intended by God.

So I'm not sure at all that my points support masturbation in any way - just that there are more issues involved with this subject than the single person who longs for a partner who copes with it by using masturbation.

After all, biblical marriage/divorce laws also force people to stay celibate the rest of their lives without the possibility of remarriage or children in their future in order not to commit adultery!
Very sobering!

To be honest, I'm being quite legalistic. My opinion is that it's better not to touch.

I don't see how Biblical divorce laws force one to stay single the rest of their lives... If one partner leaves the other and refuses to be reconciled, they are free to remarry.

 

[Breetai]

Anything that is gross can't be of God.

That's just isn't true!!!!!!!

 

[Floatingaxe]

That's just isn't true!!!!!!!

In this particular case, it is...

 

[Shiversblood]

No.

Does computer hacking, identity theft, car-jacking, hi-jacking, speeding, abusing prescription drugs, internet porn, shooting someone with a gun, therapeutic abortion, partial-birth abortion, ATM robbing, odometer tampering, ballot contamination, credit card fraud, and all manner of 21st century sins get full, itemized coverage in God's written Word?

No.

The principles for all sins are found in the Ten Commandments. We have been given the mind of Christ in all such matters. We need to engage our minds, dontcha think?

Read 'em and weep...

Your talking about modern crimes. Back when the bible was written they didn't know about those sins yet. They did know about masturbation. And since they did, it should have been required to have been written about in the bible if it was a sin. It wasn't. And The 10 commandment's don't talk about masturbation itself.

 

[Zecryphon]

Your talking about modern crimes. Back when the bible was written they didn't know about those sins yet. They did know about masturbation. And since they did, it should have been required to have been written about in the bible if it was a sin. It wasn't. And The 10 commandment's don't talk about masturbation itself.

"They did know about masturbation."

Proof please.

"And since they did, it should have been required to have been written about in the bible if it was a sin. It wasn't. And The 10 commandment's don't talk about masturbation itself."

Until you prove your unsupported claim above, this stuff here is meaningless.

 

[Shiversblood]

Your claim is the only one unsupported.

You need proof that men back then didn't know about masturbaition? Really? Apes know about masturbaition.