Is touching yourself a sin? (2)

[kenblaster5000]

I am not doing it right now. Don't look at me. Arghhhhhh!

 

[kenblaster5000]

If your hand offends you, cut it off. If your eye offends you, pluck it out.

 

[kenblaster5000]

I made a covenant with my eyes, to not look upon them with lust.

 

[LittleladyinChrist]

It's alright, I'm pretty sure she didn't mean it in a derogatory way. At least I hope not...

nah didnt really mean in an accusatory way. just a general loose statement, for someone who is horny all the time.

 

[ANM29]

yes but how can one possably touch without lusting? obviously you have to be thinking about someone naked, or doing something sexual to another person, so i dont see how you can touch without sinning.

..It is wrong no matter how you look at it.

 

[Gukkor]

..It is wrong no matter how you look at it.

Not the way I look at it.

 

[ANM29]

Not the way I look at it.

Is lust sin? If you don't believe lust is sin, then I guess you don't believe maturbating is a sin.

Any sexual activity outside of marriage is sin.

 

[Gukkor]

Is lust sin? If you don't believe lust is sin, then I guess you don't believe maturbating is a sin.

Any sexual activity outside of marriage is sin.

I do believe lust is sin, but I've still yet to be shown how lust is inextricably tied to masturbation anymore than it is sex. And since masturbation involves no one but the person masturbating, the only potential sin in it, as far as I can tell, would be lust, which, as we've been over, I don't accept as a required part of masturbation.

 

[ANM29]

I do believe lust is sin, but I've still yet to be shown how lust is inextricably tied to masturbation anymore than it is sex. And since masturbation involves no one but the person masturbating, the only potential sin in it, as far as I can tell, would be lust, which, as we've been over, I don't accept as a required part of masturbation.

If you are married, you can lust over your partner. So lust is not a sin in marriage.

You have to lust to touch, it goes with the territory.

Are you saying you can touch without 'thinking' about anyone or anything sexual?

 

[Breetai]

You have to lust to touch, it goes with the territory.

That's an a priori assumption; a logical fallacy.

We have people in this thread that are claiming otherwise, through their own experience. Therefore, your statement is likely false.

 

[ANM29]

That's an a priori assumption; a logical fallacy.

We have people in this thread that are claiming otherwise, through their own experience. Therefore, your statement is likely false.

I don't believe it. I believe your statment is false.

There is no way to make sin 'right'.

No way you can not have sexual thoughts while maturbating. The thoughts at least are in your head at some point 'right' before you begin. Impossible, I don't buy it.

 

[ANM29]

Being sexually aroused is not a sin. How you deal with those feelings 'can' be a sin.

 

[Gukkor]

I don't believe it. I believe your statment is false.

There is no way to make sin 'right'.

No way you can not have sexual thoughts while maturbating. The thoughts at least are in your head at some point 'right' before you begin. Impossible, I don't buy it.

Nobody said anything about not having sexual thoughts, we just said that it is possible to touch without lust. Lust is much more than mere sexual thoughts. It's a selfish, focused desire, far stronger a feeling than most people assume it to be nowadays. Think of it this way: people often say that a greedy or overly ambitious person has a "lust for power." Now, all people have some degree of a desire for power or control, but the desire for power in and of itself isn't sinful and isn't what the above phrase is referring to. It is of course referring to a person with a near-obessive drive to accumulate control of their environment and those around them. That is what lust really is.

Now, granted, sexual thoughts are almost always a large part of lust, but again, just as lust can be a part of masturbation but doesn't have to be, so sexual thoughts can be a part of lust but don't have to be. However, this is a point on which I know several Christians would disagree, and one that is separate from the topic of this thread, so I won't argue it further.

All that said, though, yes, it really is very possible to touch without having any sexual thoughts at all. But if you don't believe me, I certainly won't dispute your right to disagree.

 

[Breetai]

I don't believe it. I believe your statment is false.

How so? What is your reasoning?

There is no way to make sin 'right'.

There is no evidence that masturbation is a sin. All we have established is that lust (which is often a sin, but not always) often accompanies masturbation, but not always (as many people with first hand experience of this very thing claim!!!). Masturbation, by itself, is neither wrong nor right; it just is.

No way you can not have sexual thoughts while maturbating.

That's an unsubstantiated claim.

The thoughts at least are in your head at some point 'right' before you begin. Impossible, I don't buy it.

I can personally confirm that male genitalia can be ready and in working order with no thoughts of lust at all. Men very often have erections when they wake up in the morning, when they're watching a football match, when they're changing the oil on their motorbike, from a bumpy train ride, etc. This is not caused by sexual thoughts. Erections can often come at times with no explained reason. It's definitely possible cease the moment and touch without lusting after anything. Gukkor, and many other men in this same thread, will have no problems backing up what I've just said.

I cannot, however, speak for females like yourself. Perhaps women are incapable of separating lust from masturbation?

 

[ANM29]

Nobody said anything about not having sexual thoughts, we just said that it is possible to touch without lust. Lust is much more than mere sexual thoughts. It's a selfish, focused desire, far stronger a feeling than most people assume it to be nowadays. Think of it this way: people often say that a greedy or overly ambitious person has a "lust for power." Now, all people have some degree of a desire for power or control, but the desire for power in and of itself isn't sinful and isn't what the above phrase is referring to. It is of course referring to a person with a near-obessive drive to accumulate control of their environment and those around them. That is what lust really is.

Now, granted, sexual thoughts are almost always a large part of lust, but again, just as lust can be a part of masturbation but doesn't have to be, so sexual thoughts can be a part of lust but don't have to be. However, this is a point on which I know several Christians would disagree, and one that is separate from the topic of this thread, so I won't argue it further.

All that said, though, yes, it really is very possible to touch without having any sexual thoughts at all. But if you don't believe me, I certainly won't dispute your right to disagree.

Ok, we agree to disagree.

I know we sometimes justify our behavior to keep doing something we enjoy. I've been there.

 

[ANM29]

How so? What is your reasoning?

There is no evidence that masturbation is a sin. All we have established is that lust (which is often a sin, but not always) often accompanies masturbation, but not always (as many people with first hand experience of this very thing claim!!!). Masturbation, by itself, is neither wrong nor right; it just is.

That's an unsubstantiated claim.

I can personally confirm that male genitalia can be ready and in working order with no thoughts of lust at all. Men very often have erections when they wake up in the morning, when they're watching a football match, when they're changing the oil on their motorbike, from a bumpy train ride, etc. This is not caused by sexual thoughts. Erections can often come at times with no explained reason. It's definitely possible cease the moment and touch without lusting after anything. Gukkor, and many other men in this same thread, will have no problems backing up what I've just said.

I cannot, however, speak for females like yourself. Perhaps women are incapable of separating lust from masturbation?

It is wrong. Any sex outside of the marriage bed is wrong.

Lust is wrong, Masturbation is wrong whether any claim to 'lust' while doing it or not.

I know many men want to justify this because of the so-called need to have to 'release' every few days.

I myself had a problem with maturbating, and God convicted me of it. I know it is wrong, if not God would have not ever convicted me. Anything I do that is not pleasing to God, he convicts me. There are some things I 'ignore', and do again. But, I know I am wrong. No amount of justification on my part will make it right. I am one of those people who almost does not have a conscious at times, so when God does deal with me about something; he is God, and I know he is right.

So, carry on. If you think it is ok, who am I to say it is not.

Thank God for Grace
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[Gukkor]

Ok, we agree to disagree.

I know we sometimes justify our behavior to keep doing something we enjoy. I've been there.

I know this as well, and I've been accused of it before regarding this subject. Seems to be a common misconception among some that if one disagrees with them about some moral or ethical issue, one must obviously be making excuses to keep doing what they enjoy. I'd say that's a rather unreasonable judgement to make about someone's motives if one can't back it up, no?

 

[ANM29]

I know this as well, and I've been accused of it before regarding this subject. Seems to be a common misconception among some that if one disagrees with them about some moral or ethical issue, one must obviously be making excuses to keep doing what they enjoy. I'd say that's a rather unreasonable judgement to make about someone's motives if one can't back it up, no?

Your right, it is a rather unreasonable judgement to make about someone's motive without being able to back it up. I so agree. Motive does not really matter to me, that is besides the point.

I still occassionally do it myself. When I do, or am tempted to do it; I know I am wrong. But, that is just me. No way around it. I don't do it near as much as I use to. So, don't think I am here to condemn anyone. I am an no angel, I can just admit that I know when I am in the wrong even after doing wrong.

Carry on. Thank God for Grace, we all need it.

We agree to disagree.

 

[Dyin2live]

hmm i dunno. Ive seen that verse before but...
Anyway for me it is very possible to touch without lust. ive done it many times before. To the question of whether it is a sin or not, im not sure. Sometimes i feel it is ok, but sometimes i feel bad about it. Im confused!

 

[neilius73]

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No.