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Is touching yourself a sin? (2)
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I Corinthians 6:12- 'All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but i will not be brought under the power of any.'
The question of whether touching yourself is sinful stems from a misunderstanding of the concept of sin in general, and more specifically sin as it applies to Christians. 'For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.' Sin is a state of unholiness, falling short of the glory of God, more than a simple act. But as Christians, we have been permanently justified, placed into a state of holiness, whether our actions are deserving of that or not. The question for us as Christians no longer becomes 'Is this a sin?' or more accurately, 'Is this allowed?' The question now should be, 'Is this helpful? Does it draw me closer to God? Does it build up His Kindgom?' If the answer is no, then we should not be doing it, not because it is a sin, but because we want to be doing what will draw us closer to Him.
The question of whether touching yourself is sinful stems from a misunderstanding of the concept of sin in general, and more specifically sin as it applies to Christians. 'For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.' Sin is a state of unholiness, falling short of the glory of God, more than a simple act. But as Christians, we have been permanently justified, placed into a state of holiness, whether our actions are deserving of that or not. The question for us as Christians no longer becomes 'Is this a sin?' or more accurately, 'Is this allowed?' The question now should be, 'Is this helpful? Does it draw me closer to God? Does it build up His Kindgom?' If the answer is no, then we should not be doing it, not because it is a sin, but because we want to be doing what will draw us closer to Him.
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Its only a sin if you do it alone. Husband and Wife its different because you are pleasing your partner, not yourself.
GOD said, " Your body is the holy temple"
So therefore, we need to keep it clean and not dirty it up with sinful stuff.
GOD said, " Your body is the holy temple"
So therefore, we need to keep it clean and not dirty it up with sinful stuff.
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Grace and Peace be with you all,
I would say that such acts are not fruitful and led to self fulfilling pleasure seeking in one's life and so is distracting to one's relationship with God Almighty.
I understand that in our Western Culture we are often times overwhelmed with sexually explicit content and overly revealing clothing but I believe that we, as Christians, are asked to 'be perfect as our heavenly father is perfect' which means having 'control' of our sexual desires.
My 2 cents.
Regardless, God Bless.
I would say that such acts are not fruitful and led to self fulfilling pleasure seeking in one's life and so is distracting to one's relationship with God Almighty.
I understand that in our Western Culture we are often times overwhelmed with sexually explicit content and overly revealing clothing but I believe that we, as Christians, are asked to 'be perfect as our heavenly father is perfect' which means having 'control' of our sexual desires.
My 2 cents.
Regardless, God Bless.
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Premed4Christ
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And actually, it's been split, so it's over 1000 posts already. Nothing like a controversial topic to bring out the posts!
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Masturbation is tricky for me. I have no desire to do it. However, I know my boyfriend used to very regularly while growing up and he even has a few times while we have been dating (he kept it from me). He has only done it 3 or 4 times that I know of while we've been dating; the first few times were because he was in pain in that area and wanted to "cleanse" himself. The last time was after watching porn!! I thought that was completely unacceptable and we almost lost our relationship because of it; I forgave him however.
I think it has to be a decision someone makes between him or her and God. If that person does it for cleansing or for personal pleasure, but it is not associated with impure thoughts or images (porn, sexual thoughts/images of others), then I don't think it is wrong unless it becomes routine and an obsession. I would feel uncomfortable knowing my boyfriend masturbated to the image of me. I guess I have a problem with it because it almost tore us apart. He lied to me and told me he would not touch since we were together, then did it and didn't talk to me about it, and he didn't tell me until I ASKED. That is wrong to me and though it was over 3 months ago, I still feel very strongly about it.
Wow, long story. Basically, I believe what it seems a lot of people do. It's not a sin if it's not impure. However, I think couples, married or not, both need to discuss how each feels about it and work something out accordingly.
I think it has to be a decision someone makes between him or her and God. If that person does it for cleansing or for personal pleasure, but it is not associated with impure thoughts or images (porn, sexual thoughts/images of others), then I don't think it is wrong unless it becomes routine and an obsession. I would feel uncomfortable knowing my boyfriend masturbated to the image of me. I guess I have a problem with it because it almost tore us apart. He lied to me and told me he would not touch since we were together, then did it and didn't talk to me about it, and he didn't tell me until I ASKED. That is wrong to me and though it was over 3 months ago, I still feel very strongly about it.
Wow, long story. Basically, I believe what it seems a lot of people do. It's not a sin if it's not impure. However, I think couples, married or not, both need to discuss how each feels about it and work something out accordingly.
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Nope. Masturbation is not sin. What is sinful is the idolatry that can often accompany masturbation. To be frank, indulging in this too much is sinful - because it can mean that we are worshiping this instead of God. God must always be before us.
Also the thoughts and images that often accompany the action can be sinful. Example - to think on a nude person, who is not your marriage partner, is adultery of the heart. To do the obvious thing and go find pornographic images is sinful, because it is to commit adultery in your heart with the images. Also, it treats the people in the images as objects, and diminishes just how important those people are to God in reality... Whether they know it themselves or not, is another topic.
People often misrepresent Onan, of whom it is written that he "spilled his seed on the ground" so that his partner would not conceive. This was sinful, yes. But because he refused to provide continuation of the family lineage - and not because he may have methodically disposed of his seed.
To this point, we add that some churches do not allow contraception because they hold that disallowing conception, like Onan did, is sinful. Controlling fertility is probably a good idea, especially since we are facing global crises at present because of the sheer numbers of people on the earth. The sin Onan committed wasn't fertility control. But he did not follow through with the certain law ensuring the continuation of the family lineage.
Also the thoughts and images that often accompany the action can be sinful. Example - to think on a nude person, who is not your marriage partner, is adultery of the heart. To do the obvious thing and go find pornographic images is sinful, because it is to commit adultery in your heart with the images. Also, it treats the people in the images as objects, and diminishes just how important those people are to God in reality... Whether they know it themselves or not, is another topic.
People often misrepresent Onan, of whom it is written that he "spilled his seed on the ground" so that his partner would not conceive. This was sinful, yes. But because he refused to provide continuation of the family lineage - and not because he may have methodically disposed of his seed.
To this point, we add that some churches do not allow contraception because they hold that disallowing conception, like Onan did, is sinful. Controlling fertility is probably a good idea, especially since we are facing global crises at present because of the sheer numbers of people on the earth. The sin Onan committed wasn't fertility control. But he did not follow through with the certain law ensuring the continuation of the family lineage.
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Doesnt that activity then lead you vunerable to lust? I mean, is it not another form of sex? So, if your married, touching yourself is okay? And if your not, then its a sin?
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spiritwarrior37
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1Corn. 6:9 "
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.
Seems pretty clear doesn't it? It is unrighteous.
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.
Seems pretty clear doesn't it? It is unrighteous.
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Breetai
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This is called 'eisogesis'; using your own presuppositions to interpret the Bible. This is a dangerous thing to do, as you can come up with all sorts of faulty doctrines and heresies this way.
Whenever you are trying to understand the meaning of a passage, you have to appeal to the original text.
'Abusers of themselves' DOES NOT refer to touching yourself. This term comes from the Greek word, 'arsenokoites'. This is 'male' + 'bed', and it is referring to things like homosexual sex, sodomy, etc.
Please, next time you try to interprete the Bible with your own ideas, look at the original meanings first and see what the Bible is actually saying.
A good idea is to use more Bible translations that just the King James Version. If there is a wording difference between versions, you'll be able to get a better idea of the original meaning.
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"Horndog?" Who decides what too much sexual drive is when we all have varying levels of it. Just because someone regularly needs release more than someone else doesn't make them someone to denigrate with that term.
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I think this thread is a temptation by itself. I need turn from it. Anyway, alot of people are having trouble with this issue, but noone wants to talk about it. It is shameful at times, but why. It is written that sex is a strong desire, and it is true in some stronger than others. As for me, it is strong, and since I am divorced and living with my ex-wife, what is worse giving in to her or releiving the stress of being horny. Sometimes, some people need to just do it, so they can stop thinking about it. But, does giving in, beget giving in. I keep thinking that if I fasted for a few or three days, things would change. Some things are only broken by prayer and fasting, right. Just my thoughts on this. I don't mind what people think as long as they are not talking to me now, physically. I am the type of person that is gifted with mercy, I think, myself. I have people that will confess there sins to me, because I don't seem to be too "righteous". God is very merciful to me, so why should I not be merciful. God bless you all, and I hope we can work with this issue in the Body of Christ. It seems as though this is an issue that needs to be hit with a stone from the sling. Love you all and peace, I am out of here.
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