It's selfishness, plain and simple. Giving in to base desires is self-gratification.
So what? Do you ever eat at McDonald's or KFC? Do you ever watch a movie, or watch a programme on the TV? Did you listen to music for personal enjoyment? Do you ever stop to smell the roses? How is any of this sinful or wrong? You have not showed this, and you cannot!
Do you really need to be told this?
Do you really need to be told how hypocritical without Biblical basis what you just said is?
OK I am sure you must know that IF you are married, it is adultery.
HOW??? You CANNOT backup with you just said Biblically OR linguistically! It is not adultery! What you said is purely made-up by either you or by whoever is feeding this stuff to you. It is not a Biblical idea. What about mutual masturbation with your spouse? Is that sinful, too? How about oral sex? What about using a condom or even the rhythm method of birth control?
I will spell it out that sex--any kind of sex--outside of marriage is fornication, so, married or single, you commit it with yourself.
I will spell this out for you.
E-I-S-O-G-E-S-I-S. That's eisogesis. It means to impose your own meaning, or personal bias, into scripture. This is exactly what you are doing here.
N-O-W-H-E-R-E. That's nowhere in the Bible does it talk about masturbation or imply that it is fornication. If it did, then you'd be free to divorce your spouse just because they had a [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] (according to Matthew 19:9). That is utter silliness. Rubbish. That is exactly where your eisogesis leads to.
Self-abuse isn't always hurting yourself! Sheesh...you abuse yourself sexually when you touch--it is unnatural to manipulate one's sexual organs to achieve sexual gratification--that is abuse of the proper function of a body.
Tell us, what is your source for this? Did you just make it up?
What is this? Ninth grade?
Stop with this childishness.
You cheat the marriage bed of the pleasure of sex between yourself and your wife.
First of all, if both spouses agree that this is okay, it IS NOT CHEATING in the secular sense. Secondly, NOWHERE IN THE BIBLE is masturbation mentioned. You are taking your own thoughts, and trying to fit them into Christian doctrine. Well guess what, it's not Biblical. It goes into the same category as purgatory, baptizing for the dead and celestial marriage.
Do you always assume things about others? STOP IT!
Then you rob yourself of such pleasure and rob her of a pure you in the future.
What in the blue heck are you going on about? Firstly, you're again assuming that not masturbating makes someone "pure." Just what do you consider "pure" anyway? Heck, if spouses know about their own bodies and what feels good, it may even enhance their sex life.
It is just a matter of remaining pure, and masturbation robs purity.
Will I go to purgatory if I touch?
Menial and inconsequential you say? Well, it's not either of those things.
We're discussing an issue that some Christians argue is sinful when the Bible says "no comment." This is not at all a major theological issue, and should not be made into one.
If you want the Bible to spell everything out for you, I hardly think you would follow it anyway with such an attitude.
By junior high school, or high school, or whatever grade 9 is where you are, many students had the sense to avoid personal attacks when trying to make and backup a claim. Are using such personal attacks "doing something for God"?
God gives us the sense of right and wrong.
So does the environment you were brought up in. Are you able to separate the two?
Many ignore it in favour of their own sense of right and wrong.
And many add to it with their own set of ideas and rules.
Somehow I believe that "if it feels good, do it" is the law of this land. So sad.
Agreed, but many people take what you said way too far. Some ultra conservative Christians forfeit things like cars, dancing, television, etc. because they are more worried about trivial parts of the law over the gospel of grace and forgiveness.
