Is this true?

[DeerGlow]

seems like you're saying two opposite things here. one is that these certain things won't happen at all if you are saved. the other is that they will happen but you will persevere in your faith. the former would be false with the latter being true.

suicidal thoughts are something different. suicidal tendencies aren't a mental condition but rather a extreme emotional response to undesirable circumstances. i'd find it hard to believe that someone who has truly been made a new creation in Christ would contemplate and premeditate breaking the 6th commandment in taking their own life.



I believe it would behoove you to do so based on you recent posts. it is said that trial introduces a person to themselves.



the atheist believes in their heart that there is no God. the Mormon believes in his heart that joseph smith is a prophet from God and they will become a god over their own planet one day if they follow their faith well enough. radical Muslims believe in their heart that if they commit an act of terrorism against the infidel in the name of allah they will be met with a host of voluptuous virgins in heaven.

here's what scripture has to say about our hearts:

jeremiah 17:9




Simon the sorcerer:

acts 8:9-26

I believe you have told us what you believe in with your recent posts. someone who has been given a new heart and a new spirit within them does not say things such as "i think i'm done with God", "i want to tell God to go BLEEP Himself", "there's nothing shinning inside of me", "i'm not close to God" or starts judging God's sovereign choices. your replies in your other thread are violations of the 1st and 10th commandments. the 1st in making idols out of friends and romantic relationships, the 10th in looking at what your friends have and being envious of them and hating God and yourself for not having what they have. you may say that you don't care about any of that...well, that's just more evidence.

I say all these things to you because, again, I was in your same position. I got baptized twice. I prayed the sinners prayer numerous times. I felt deep in my heart that I was saved and in Christ. when I actually got saved 5 years ago, I can look back and say definitively that I was indeed outside of Christ and did not know Him. If it were the LORD's will to end my life while I was in that state, I would have stood before the LORD and been cast off into eternal damnation.

there's indeed hope for you. all is definitely not lost. you must humble yourself before the LORD in prayer. ask him to regenerate your heart and mind. even though you deserve His wrath, cry out for mercy and he will grant it to you.

it's what He did for me while in the same place!

I have prayed for salvation a multitude of times but don't want to get baptised again until I know for sure I believe. It's agony. I wish I had been saved as a kid and stayed saved, or never lost my assurance if I am saved.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

I have prayed for salvation a multitude of times but don't want to get baptised again until I know for sure I believe. It's agony. I wish I had been saved as a kid and stayed saved, or never lost my assurance if I am saved.

you don't need water baptism again. what you need now is to be baptized in the Holy Spirit.

keep praying for God's saving grace until He gives it to you.

 

[DeerGlow]

you don't need water baptism again. what you need now is to be baptized in the Holy Spirit.

keep praying for God's saving grace until He gives it to you.

I want to be saved but I'm afraid I don't believe or can't be saved and I'm scared I want to be safe.

 

[Saint Beloved]

I have prayed for salvation a multitude of times but don't want to get baptised again until I know for sure I believe. It's agony. I wish I had been saved as a kid and stayed saved, or never lost my assurance if I am saved.

I dislike saying it but with that expectation you could be waiting a long time and maybe you'll never be assured till the resurrection.

Put your trust and faith in God not yourself. You were baptised in His Son's name. You pray to Him. You are His. Your name is in His book and no one can take you from Him.

Father God in Heaven please bring assurance and comfort to DeerGlow whose spirit is in torment at the evil one's hand. In Jesus' name and witnessed by the Holy Spirit, Your Will not ours be done. Amen.

 

[DeerGlow]

I dislike saying it but with that expectation you could be waiting a long time and maybe you'll never be assured till the resurrection.

Put your trust and faith in God not yourself. You were baptised in His Son's name. You pray to Him. You are His. Your name is in His book and no one can take you from Him.

Father God in Heaven please bring assurance and comfort to DeerGlow whose spirit is in torment at the evil one's hand. In Jesus' name and witnessed by the Holy Spirit, Your Will not ours be done. Amen.

I just feel like screaming inside. I'm scared. I'm afraid He won't want me on judgement day. I'll have to be charged with all of my evils and sent away I don't want to be sent away but I'm so scared and confused and sick it's like I fell off the narrow path and I'm lying in a deep deep hole.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

I want to be saved but I'm afraid I don't believe or can't be saved and I'm scared I want to be safe.

I didn't necessarily believe when the LORD saved me either. He did anyway when I called on him.

I'll continue to pray for you!

 

[DeerGlow]

I didn't necessarily believe when the LORD saved me either. He did anyway when I called on him.

I'll continue to pray for you!

I don't mean to make you doubt but how do you get saved without faith?

 

[Saint Beloved]

I just feel like screaming inside. I'm scared. I'm afraid He won't want me on judgement day. I'll have to be charged with all of my evils and sent away I don't want to be sent away but I'm so scared and confused and sick it's like I fell off the narrow path and I'm lying in a deep deep hole.

I've been there it's wretched I don't know how else to comfort you friend.
Is there anything in your space that could be offending Him?

 

[DeerGlow]

I've been there it's wretched I don't know how else to comfort you friend.
Is there anything in your space that could be offending Him?

I am afraid my heart doesn't really believe. And I have so many blasphemous thoughts, I sin A LOT. I am afraid of hell but I still SIN so much. And I don't think fear equals remorse or contrition for me. Fear of punishment doesn't mean guilt for sin. I'm afraid I'm not really convicted, not believing, now saved.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

I don't mean to make you doubt but how do you get saved without faith?

the faith that is as small as a mustard seed is the one that can call out to God for mercy and forgiveness.

this is what the tax collector did in the comparison between him and the Pharisee.

the LORD hears that prayer.

 

[DeerGlow]

the faith that is as small as a mustard seed is the one that can call out to God for mercy and forgiveness.

this is what the tax collector did in the comparison between him and the Pharisee.

the LORD hears that prayer.

I feel like my prayers are insincere though, like words I say in my mind to make myself feel better (I don't usually pray out loud anymore). I feel like screaming in my head.

 

[ChristianFromKazakhstan]

If you're filled with God's spirit and saved...
You won't experience depression, suicidal thoughts, mental illness.... No matter what happens you bounce back and are always faithful..

And if you don't...you're not saved...

Is that really true... If so maybe I should examine myself...but I do know in my heart and soul in saved...and I will battle anyone all day..because I know what I did and believe in and I remember my baptism.

Not true. Myth.

 

[Saint Beloved]

I am afraid my heart doesn't really believe. And I have so many blasphemous thoughts, I sin A LOT. I am afraid of hell but I still SIN so much. And I don't think fear equals remorse or contrition for me. Fear of punishment doesn't mean guilt for sin. I'm afraid I'm not really convicted, not believing, now saved.

What is the nature of your sin have you confessed it specifically and verbally?
I'd encourage you to speak your confession even if in a whisper to break the power that seems to have bound you.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

I feel like my prayers are insincere though, like words I say in my mind to make myself feel better (I don't usually pray out loud anymore). I feel like screaming in my head.

so you're saying you don't really want to be saved and receive God's mercy?

 

[DeerGlow]

so you're saying you don't really want to be saved and receive God's mercy?

I feel like I don't really believe or don't have saving faith.

 

[Saint Beloved]

I feel like I don't really believe or don't have saving faith.

They say the best way to prove you have faith to yourself is by evangelising to others.

 

[DeerGlow]

What is the nature of your sin have you confessed it specifically and verbally?
I'd encourage you to speak your confession even if in a whisper to break the power that seens to have bound you.

Sometimes I pray at a whisper but I'm so scared I feel like I'm going to be hurt.

 

[DeerGlow]

They say the best way to prove you have faith to yourself is by evangelising to others.

I am the worst evangelist.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

I feel like I don't really believe or don't have saving faith.

not having it is different from not wanting it.

 

[Saint Beloved]

Sometimes I pray at a whisper but I'm so scared I feel like I'm going to be hurt.

I understand that I fear it too sometimes but afterwards it's so liberating. Take that leap God has you and I believe His Angel's are assigned to us to step in for protection if need be.