Is this true?

[RaymondG]

Yes we have life as in eternal life. There are no guarantees for happiness on Earth.

There are many verses on prospering while here on earth, but I refrain from mentioning them as to not rile up the "non-prosperity preaching" crowd. Im all for being poor naturally now....nothing wrong with it. But having the holy spirit of God in me, while at the same time being depressed and suicidal....Thats a tough one to wrap my head around.....But I guess it could be possible.

 

[Far Side Of the Moon]

I guess I view having thorns different from being depressed and suicidal. Just cant imagine Having the mind of christ and being mentally depressed and suicidal.....but I dont completely rule anything out.

As far as Pastors.....some are hired and fired just like employees. Pastor does not always equal spirit filled.

You seem to be slightly agitated, maybe I'm wrong, if so...why?

 

[Far Side Of the Moon]

There are many verses on prospering while here on earth, but I refrain from mentioning them as to not rile up the "non-prosperity preaching" crowd. Im all for being poor naturally now....nothing wrong with it. But having the holy spirit of God in me, while at the same time being depressed and suicidal....Thats a tough one to wrap my head around.....But I guess it could be possible.

Idk maybe you're right ..maybe if you're truly spirit filled you don't experience anxiety and depression...idk. Maybe I don't have enough faith.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

If you're filled with God's spirit and saved...
You won't experience depression, suicidal thoughts, mental illness.... No matter what happens you bounce back and are always faithful..

And if you don't...you're not saved...

Is that really true... If so maybe I should examine myself...but I do know in my heart and soul in saved...and I will battle anyone all day..because I know what I did and believe in and I remember my baptism.

You won't experience suicidal thoughts and depression yes...IK this because before I was saved I had depression for a time and I've never experienced anything like that since. The Joy (opposite of depression) of the lord is real.


Now baptism and the holy spirit are independent of each other though which is why I recommended you seeking the holy spirit ealier. Also the way you're close to telling GOd off.... just some indicators that gave me doubts. But maybe you are still saved (assuming you've been saved before) but just weak spiritually right now and need a refilling of the holy spirit a renewal.

You can contemplate and stuff but just go off what you know, you know spiritually you're off right now so just focus on that.

 

[RaymondG]

Sometimes it happens like that...As a Christian you don't get everything you want you just don't.. If you think that you came to god for the wrong reason. I got hung up on that too.

No, I serve God because I have a feeling inside that it this is what Im suppose to do. I dont fear a "Hell" or look forward to a Heaven or any rewards. I Love god because he first love me. This is what I was made to do.....I dont need fear tactics or promise of rewards to do so.

I've found that since getting closer to Christ, I dont really ask for anything. All my needs are met, and my desires are given to me. When you have Jesus you have everything....what more can you ask for except more spirit and more understanding?

 

[Far Side Of the Moon]

You won't experience suicidal thoughts and depression yes...IK this because before I was saved I had depression for a time and I've never experienced anything like that since. The Joy (opposite of depression) of the lord is real.


Now baptism and the holy spirit are independent of each other though which is why I recommended you seeking the holy spirit ealier. Also the way you're close to telling GOd off.... just some indicators that maybe if you were saved and strong before should seek again. Maye you are still saved (assuming you've been saved before) but just weak spiritually right now and need a refilling of the holy spirit a renewal.

Maybe you're right. But i do know I'm saved for a fact.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

Maybe you're right. But i do know I'm saved for a fact.

Then seek a renewal of the holy spirit a refilling, a new anointing if you have received the holy ghost already, maybe some things happened and you've gotten hurt spiritually is all, Satan maybe attacked you in some area and you got hurt. You maybe had a misstep it happens to a lot of people and happened to my brother...although he ended up backsliding. You can address the problem before it gets that bad.

 

[Far Side Of the Moon]

You won't experience suicidal thoughts and depression yes...IK this because before I was saved I had depression for a time and I've never experienced anything like that since. The Joy (opposite of depression) of the lord is real.


Now baptism and the holy spirit are independent of each other though which is why I recommended you seeking the holy spirit ealier. Also the way you're close to telling GOd off.... just some indicators that gave me doubts. But maybe you are still saved (assuming you've been saved before) but just weak spiritually right now and need a refilling of the holy spirit a renewal.

You can contemplate and stuff but just go off what you know, you know spiritually you're off right now so just focus on that.

I think I just need a refilling or renewal..maybe the way I'm feeling isn't normal.

 

[DeerGlow]

I am severely questioning my faith and salvation. I feel despair. And sickness.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I'd say false. Just because we are being saved doesn't mean we live perfect happy lives. We're still daily battling good and bad inside ourselves till death.
This is a normal human state. We suffer and endure persecution just as Christ did before us.
I have bad moments and bad days but always faithful and hopeful.

That would be the best I could tell you on the matter.

Would I be out of line in asking what you feel the requirements are to be saved? Sounds like you have it down but just checking up on you.

 

[RaymondG]

Idk maybe you're right ..maybe if you're truly spirit filled you don't experience anxiety and depression...idk. Maybe I don't have enough faith.

Everyone has been given a measure of faith. And your faith can be increased...and yours will be....It just takes a desire to do so and patience. But there is a mark that you can press towards. It would be a shame for people to make you believe that there is no way out of Illnesses....even with the holy spirit. Keep pressing and reaching.....and you will reach your goal.

 

[JESUS=G.O.A.T]

I think I just need a refilling or renewal..maybe the way I'm feeling isn't normal.

yeah you just have to get back on track is all. I preached this not that long ago, sometimes you get saved but maybe you slack somewhere or don't come in prepared for an attack by the enemy and boom you fall. But you can always return to god. You got this!

 

[RaymondG]

You seem to be slightly agitated, maybe I'm wrong, if so...why?

No, I dont get upset easily, and rarely feel personally attacked. This was a goal of mine and Im almost there. To die to the flesh so much that I can miss my old name being called. You dont have to worry about me getting offended, or me trying to offend or judge you.

 

[Saint Beloved]

That would be the best I could tell you on the matter.

Would I be out of line in asking what you feel the requirements are to be saved? Sounds like you have it down but just checking up on you.

Me... have it down... if only!
*biggest grin ever* thank you so much hehe!!!
Uh oh big brothers watching me...

Requirements to being saved according to me I'd say true reflection and repentance, producing fruits of repentance, believing in Jesus Christ crucified, being baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, receieving the Holy Spirit and living a faithful life relying on God and the Scriptures whilst enduring suffering and persecution.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

If you're filled with God's spirit and saved...
You won't experience depression, suicidal thoughts, mental illness....

Seems David suffered from some of the above.
My sin has brought me much.
Repent and move on.
Jesus told us that it would not be an easy road.
Take the narrow road.
M-Bob

 

[Far Side Of the Moon]

yeah you just have to get back on track is all. I preached this not that long ago, sometimes you get saved but maybe you slack somewhere or don't come in prepared for an attack by the enemy and boom you fall. But you can always return to god. You got this!

Yeah I slacked off majorly...
I hope getting back on track works.

 

[Far Side Of the Moon]

I am severely questioning my faith and salvation. I feel despair. And sickness.

That's one thing I find so odd about me. Even though I have bad anxiety and doubts about nearly everything... I know for a pure fact I'm saved...and I'm not trying to be difficult or argue anyone down...I just know what I did was real. So no one can tell me I'm not saved.,,but slacking yeah... I need to get back on track.

 

[disciple1]

If you're filled with God's spirit and saved...
You won't experience depression, suicidal thoughts, mental illness.... No matter what happens you bounce back and are always faithful..

And if you don't...you're not saved...

Is that really true... If so maybe I should examine myself...but I do know in my heart and soul in saved...and I will battle anyone all day..because I know what I did and believe in and I remember my baptism.

John chapter 16 verse 33
"I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world."

 

[DeerGlow]

That's one thing I find so odd about me. Even though I have bad anxiety and doubts about nearly everything... I know for a pure fact I'm saved...and I'm not trying to be difficult or argue anyone down...I just know what I did was real. So no one can tell me I'm not saved.,,but slacking yeah... I need to get back on track.

People aren't even talking to me and they say something that makes me doubt my faith and salvation.

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

If you're filled with God's spirit and saved...
You won't experience depression, suicidal thoughts, mental illness.... No matter what happens you bounce back and are always faithful..

seems like you're saying two opposite things here. one is that these certain things won't happen at all if you are saved. the other is that they will happen but you will persevere in your faith. the former would be false with the latter being true.

suicidal thoughts are something different. suicidal tendencies aren't a mental condition but rather a extreme emotional response to undesirable circumstances. i'd find it hard to believe that someone who has truly been made a new creation in Christ would contemplate and premeditate breaking the 6th commandment in taking their own life.

maybe I should examine myself.

I believe it would behoove you to do so based on you recent posts. it is said that trial introduces a person to themselves.

but I do know in my heart and soul in saved...

the atheist believes in their heart that there is no God. the Mormon believes in his heart that joseph smith is a prophet from God and they will become a god over their own planet one day if they follow their faith well enough. radical Muslims believe in their heart that if they commit an act of terrorism against the infidel in the name of allah they will be met with a host of voluptuous virgins in heaven.

here's what scripture has to say about our hearts:

jeremiah 17:9

as tony miano always says. what me, you, or anyone believes is irrelevant. what matters is whether or not what we believe is true.

because I know what I did and believe in and I remember my baptism.

Simon the sorcerer:

acts 8:9-26

I believe you have told us what you believe in with your recent posts. someone who has been given a new heart and a new spirit within them does not say things such as "i think i'm done with God", "i want to tell God to go BLEEP Himself", "there's nothing shinning inside of me", "i'm not close to God" or starts judging God's sovereign choices. your replies in your other thread are violations of the 1st and 10th commandments. the 1st in making idols out of friends and romantic relationships, the 10th in looking at what your friends have and being envious of them and hating God and yourself for not having what they have. you may say that you don't care about any of that...well, that's just more evidence.

I say all these things to you because, again, I was in your same position. I got baptized twice. I prayed the sinners prayer numerous times. I felt deep in my heart that I was saved and in Christ. when I actually got saved 5 years ago, I can look back and say definitively that I was indeed outside of Christ and did not know Him. If it were the LORD's will to end my life while I was in that state, I would have stood before the LORD and been cast off into eternal damnation.

there's indeed hope for you. all is definitely not lost. you must humble yourself before the LORD in prayer. ask him to regenerate your heart and mind. even though you deserve His wrath, cry out for mercy and he will grant it to you.

it's what He did for me while in the same place!