Is this injustice?

[ZNP]

That’s all well and good, but I don’t see how that relates to the OP.

Mercy and righteousness are not the same thing. If you understand that those 5 sinners who had been saved by grace not being treated mercifully means they lose their salvation then that is a major error in the OP. Our salvation does not depend on God's mercy but on His righteousness.

 

[bling]

From a theological point of view the argument would be that God is absolutely sovereign and therefore everything God does is just. However from a human POV this justice "would" seem to be applied unequally and therefore unfair. The question of repentance was not mentioned in the OP and therefore does not enter in this discussion. Speaking personally, I find much of theology to be highly speculative and therefore I lean towards the human understanding ---- justice must be seen to be done.

God has presented the definition of just and unjust in scripture and through the example of Christ, so can He be inconsistent with the description of just he has presented?

 

[Hammster]

Mercy and righteousness are not the same thing. If you understand that those 5 sinners who had been saved by grace not being treated mercifully means they lose their salvation then that is a major error in the OP. Our salvation does not depend on God's mercy but on His righteousness.

God is righteous. That doesn’t save anyone by itself. There must also be mercy and grace. But they are also inseparable as far as salvation is concerned.

 

[bling]

This begs the question: which came first, the mercy or the repentance?

The OP seems to answer that question with mercy coming first and only to some.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I’m going by what you said. Remember this?

“To add to my last post, I've seen this happen several times here on any given subject. A poster will understand something in their mind to mean something, and they assume others follow their thought process, when they do not.

Point being what you think may need a lot more explaining to even get others to understand it.”

All my posts assume those who have read the bible know what God expects of us.

 

[zoidar]

OK, thank you very much, that helps tremendously.

And for the reason I'm not Calvinist, there is just too much to disagree with there, something that has been hashed out time and time again here, so I know doing it again will change nothing.

So I may stick with the argument I'm on presently...much easier.

If that is the idea the OP is a major blunder, we are not saved based on God's mercy but based on God's righteousness. These are two very different and distinct things.

According to Romans 10 if I call on the Lord and believe in my heart that God has raised Him from the dead I shall be saved.

If God decides He doesn't want to save me then He is unrighteous and since His kingdom is established on righteousness this will be the undoing of God's kingdom.

At least this was my understanding of the OP.

Neither do I believe in the Calvinistic understanding, yet I believe some parts of the picture is right.

 

[bling]

Justice comes by punishing them all. If there is an injustice, then it is not because the five were punished, but because the other five were forgiven. Yet, forgiveness is easily forgiven. Where there is forgiveness, there is no injustice. Therefore, the short answer is that it is not an injustice.

Explain to me Matt, 18:21-35

 

[bling]

It is inconsequential as we have a just God.
Be blessed.

So it does not work the way the OP explained it?

 

[Hammster]

The OP seems to answer that question with mercy coming first and only to some.

No one deserves mercy.

 

[Hammster]

All my posts assume those who have read the bible know what God expects of us.

Then my summation stands.

 

[bling]

Was God's choice of Israel arbitrary?

Was it the result of Abraham's faith?

 

[bling]

But it was a judgement. God was preparing Israel, while in Egypt, to bring judgement upon the inhabitants of Canaan.
Genesis 15:16
"Then in the fourth generation they will return here, for the iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete."
When God chose to have mercy on Israel, He overlooked the rest of civilization by default.

God showed mercy on the Canaanites by giving them 400 years to repent.

 

[bling]

Since when does God have to bow to 'logic'?

If God presents something about Himself, like He did with Christ, than for Him to go back on that would be misleading (a lie).

 

[dcalling]

No, they won’t be. God just doesn’t punish them.

Exodus 34:7 maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished;

 

[bling]

That makes it sound like He’s obligated to try.

God has obligated Himself to be Love, to be like Christ, to not lie and so on.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Then my summation stands.

What was that summation again?

 

[ZNP]

God is righteous. That doesn’t save anyone by itself. There must also be mercy and grace. But they are also inseparable as far as salvation is concerned.

We are saved by grace, it is the free gift of God, it is not based on anything that you have done. You receive this gift by faith and God is righteous and just to save you.

Again, none of this has anything to do with the OP, if this is what the OP intended they should have been clear the the judgement of the sinners was determining eternal salvation.

 

[Hammster]

Was it the result of Abraham's faith?

No.

 

[Hammster]

God has obligated Himself to be Love, to be like Christ, to not lie and so on.

He hasn’t obligated Himself to be love. He is love.

 

[Hammster]

What was that summation again?

This

So then God saves because of the merit of those whom He saves. Does that sum it up?