I gave you a link.
Sorry, you are right I did not address this post, because it requires an understanding of the atonement process which books have been written on and would take us way off topic, but since this is your thread and you want an answer I will make some brief comments and you can decide if you want to go further:
OK I was linked to this:
You said
That’s not what he was saying, and here’s why. Words mean things. Synergists tend to laser in on “whole world” while disregarding what propitiation means. They see it just as dying on the cross. But when we study it, it means that God’s wrath was satisfied.
On the day of atonement, a bull and goat were sacrificed to atone for all of the sins of God’s chosen people. That’s important. It wasn’t atonement for the whole world. So that there shows that God isn’t merciful to all.
Here is my response to this:
That is not what I am saying at all! My understanding of the atonement process does not present God as this out of control angry, wrathful, blood thirsty god in need of innocent blood to “satisfy” some warped desire that will allow God to forgive.
No that is not right it was definitely not for “all” sins but only sins committed in ignorance (unintentional sins) and it was also for the gentiles in the land at the time:
Numbers 15: 28 The priest is to make atonement before the Lord for the one who erred by sinning unintentionally, and when atonement has been made, that person will be forgiven. 29 One and the same law applies to everyone who sins unintentionally, whether a native-born Israelite or a foreigner residing among you.
30 “‘But anyone who sins defiantly, whether native-born or foreigner, blasphemes the Lord and must be cut off from the people of Israel. 31 Because they have despised the Lord’s word and broken his commands, they must surely be cut off; their guilt remains on them.’”
Heb. 9: 7 But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance.
Just because we have very little recorded in the Jewish Old Testament, about how God was handling non-Jews all over the world that would be in keeping with our just needing to follow Christ’s linage. We have some ideas from Ro. 1: 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. And Ro. 2: 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes.
The main thing to understand and Paul is pointing out in Romans is “There is no significant difference between the Jews and the gentiles, even though Jews were made (by the potter) for a very special privileged position from the beginning it did not keep them from sinning just as much as the gentiles sinned. Paul is not suggesting in any way that they only became equal in sinning after Pentecost.
You added:
That’s a type and shadow of Christ and His crucifixion. He also made atonement for His people, but where the priest had to do it every year, Christ only did so once, and then sat because the work was finished.
So just as the sins were atoned for on the Day of Atonement (for God’s people) and God’s wrath was satisfied for a year, our sins (still God’s chosen people) were atoned for and God’s wrath is satisfied eternally.
My response is:
Where are you finding in scripture “God’s wrath was satisfied for a year”, because the day of atonement
Heb. 10: But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins. 4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
Heb. 10: 8 First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law.
If God did not desire and was not pleased with offerings how could the give God satisfaction and remember these were only for sins in ignorance and not the much more severe sins of disobedience.
Then you finished with:
So if you are correct, then God’s wrath is satisfied against sin for every person who has ever lived, and will live, including all who died without Christ prior to the cross.
My response:
That is not what I am saying at all! My understanding of the atonement process does not present God as this out of control angry, wrathful, blood thirsty god in need of innocent blood to “satisfy” some warped desire that will allow God to forgive.
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