Happens to me all the time. God bless and thanks for your input.Oh, ok, guess I got confused somewhere along the way, as I thought you were saying the opposite. All good.
I was wondering whether the title of Son of God was eternally attributed to Him and whether there was some historical council decision that would name what I think as heresy.
Thanks;
Mike
I agree that it was Jesus in the fire with them, but technically, the king said "like a son of the gods" (see the more modern translations), which proves nothing regarding the eternal Sonship of Christ.
Once again, the newer translations reveal that it is more proper to place an "a" before "Son of Man".
This scripture at least touches on the eternal topic - Rev 13:8 - "...all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world." You could potentially make an indirect argument that if Jesus is the Lamb who was capable of being slain 'from the creation of the world', that then His 'begottenness' likely also transcended time (i.e., eternal).Actually, the Nicene Creed (325) does not say "eternally begotten of the Father", but the Creed of Constantinople (381) does say He was begotten "before all worlds (aeons)" (all of that according to Wikipedia). Still looking for the phrase "eternally begotten" even though the Creed of Constantinople does make my understanding heretical, or at least not in line with that council's creed.
Thanks again.
mike
Perhaps you misunderstand me; the title "Christ" does not describe a "Son". The title "Lord" does not describe a "Christ" and none of these describe the "Word" or "Creator" and yet the person of Jesus encompasses all of these things. Each of these titles is incomplete and fails at a certain point because each of them only describes one small part of Him.No, Son of God is NOT analogy that breaks down. It's what St. Peter replied to the question, "Who do you that that I am," and Jesus approved of it.
Christ is risen!
In my experience, those who accuse others of heresy don't know as much as they think they know.I understand Jesus to be the eternal Word of God thru whom God created the universe, and that He became the Son of God at His Incarnation. Is this heresy?
Heresy is a rather severe condemnation of minor differences in arguments about semantics (logical aspects of meaning).I understand Jesus to be the eternal Word of God thru whom God created the universe, and that He became the Son of God at His Incarnation. Is this heresy?
He became the Son when He cam forth out of God the Father.I understand Jesus to be the eternal Word of God thru whom God created the universe, and that He became the Son of God at His Incarnation. Is this heresy?
I understand Jesus to be the eternal Word of God thru whom God created the universe, and that He became the Son of God at His Incarnation. Is this heresy?
Traditional teaching is that The Word of God is not The Father, but was with The Father, and was Himself God. Thus, there are created beings (eg, "watchers of men"), who have existed alongside Christ before His human incarnation as Jesus. There are spirits who speak alongside The Word of God, yet do not represent God. Discernment is required of a Christian to recognise The Holy Spirit. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us, that we beheld His glory.how could Jesus be called the Son of Man before His Incarnation?
Thanks for the response Albion. I do believe that Jesus Christ is co-eternal with the Father, of one Being with Him and the Holy Spirit. I was wondering whether the title of Son of God was eternally attributed to Him and whether there was some historical council decision that would name what I think as heresy.
Thanks;
Mike
Why "this day I have begotten...?" It's possible that the author quoted the passage more for the begotten than the "this day," understanding "this day" as being in eternity. I think it's more likely that what he meant by begotten in that verse was bringing the eternal Son into history. Orthodox theologians have said that Christ was begotten twice, once as the eternal Son in eternity and once as human in history. So you'd read it "you are my [eternal] Son. This day I have begotten thee [as human]." That would then make it parallel with 6, which says he brings the firstborn into the world.
Officially, a number of groups might say that is heresy.I understand Jesus to be the eternal Word of God thru whom God created the universe, and that He became the Son of God at His Incarnation. Is this heresy?
All things that were created both visible and invisible were created by, through and for Jesus The Christ.I understand Jesus to be the eternal Word of God thru whom God created the universe, and that He became the Son of God at His Incarnation. Is this heresy?
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