Is there evidence of something beyond nature?

[Loudmouth]

The definition of a hard firmament is paint stars on the inside of a tent and look around? That is pretty ridiculous.

Then what is the definition?

 

[Loudmouth]

None of these require the stretching to stop.
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All of them are in the past tense, stating that the stretching already happened as in the point where you stretch a tent over your head AND STOP. As you sit in a tent, does it continue to expand around you?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Says you and your interpretation of vague terminology.

expand



[ik-spand]

• Synonyms
• Examples
• Word Origin

verb (used with object) 1. to increase in extent, size, volume, scope, etc.: Heat expands most metals. He hopes to expand his company.


2. to spread or stretch out; unfold: A bird expands its wings.


3. to express in fuller form or greater detail; develop: to expand a short story into a novel.


4. Mathematics.

1. to write (a mathematical expression) so as to show the products of its factors. Compare factor (def 10).
2. to rewrite (a mathematical expression) as a sum, product, etc., of terms of a particular kind:

Hardly vague.

 

[HitchSlap]

It was correct, how does that equate to being nothing more than a mythical snap shot of Hebrew culture?

As a pattern seeking mammal prone to confirmation bias, I can understand why you might think that.

However vague descriptions are vague descriptions. I suppose you think Nostradamus was a stud?

 

[lasthero]

Hardly vague.

If it wasn't vague, people would have been to able to figure out what it meant. Only now, when we've discovered more about the universe, do people like you come out of the woodwork and start screaming 'Aha! That's what it meant! See, we were right all along!'

 

[lasthero]

"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." - Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade.

 

[Oncedeceived]

As a pattern seeking mammal prone to confirmation bias, I can understand why you might think that.

However vague descriptions are vague descriptions. I suppose you think Nostradamus was a stud?

We do have evidence that the universe is expanding, it is not just bunnies in the clouds.

 

[Oncedeceived]

"The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." - Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade.

Well everyone has an opinion, thank you for supplying Rev. Wade's.

 

[Oncedeceived]

If it wasn't vague, people would have been to able to figure out what it meant. Only now, when we've discovered more about the universe, do people like you come out of the woodwork and start screaming 'Aha! That's what it meant! See, we were right all along!'

This is so typical, stretching means just that stretching and expanding also includes stretching.

 

[Loudmouth]

We do have evidence that the universe is expanding, it is not just bunnies in the clouds.

A tent does not expand around you.

 

[EternalDragon]

Then what is the definition?

"The vault or arch of the sky." (Basically it's the sky you see outside when you look up.)

Examples of it being used in a sentence from Marriam-Webster are:

The meteors were flashing across the firmament.

The stars in the firmament twinkled ever so brightly.

 

[Loudmouth]

"The vault or arch of the sky." (Basically it's the sky you see outside when you look up.)

Here is a vaulted arch:

Again, it is saying that the sky is made of something hard into which the stars are embedded, like painting stars on the ceiling of a church with a vaulted ceiling.

 

[Oncedeceived]

A tent does not expand around you.

It does if you are standing in the middle of it when it is put up.

 

[Loudmouth]

It does if you are standing in the middle of it when it is put up.

If someone says "The Pacific ocean stretched from horizon to horizon", are they trying to claim that the Pacific ocean is in a state of expansion?

 

[Oncedeceived]

If someone says "The Pacific ocean stretched from horizon to horizon", are they trying to claim that the Pacific ocean is in a state of expansion?

You are using stretched. It isn't stretched as in past tense. However, as nice as this diversion has been for you to switch the focus of our conversation I am still needing from you the evidence that inflation occurred prior to the Big Bang. Please provide it or concede that you have no evidence.

 

[Loudmouth]

You are using stretched.

Yes, the exact word used in the Bible verse.

However, as nice as this diversion has been for you to switch the focus of our conversation I am still needing from you the evidence that inflation occurred prior to the Big Bang.

Alan Guth, have you heard of him? He's kind of a big deal.

"In inflationary theories the universe evolves from a very tiny initial patch. While this patch was very small, there was plenty of time for it to become uniform by the same mechanism by which a slice of pizza sitting on the table cools to room temperature: things tend to come to a uniform temperature. Once this uniformity is established on the scale of the very tiny patch, inflation can take over and magnify the patch to become large enough to encompass everything that we observe. Thus, inflation provides a very natural explanation for the uniformity of the universe."--Alan Guth, Cosmic Questions - Guth: Evidence for Inflation

He is saying exactly what I am, that there was a period of interaction of energy prior to the Big Bang, prior to inflation.

 

[florida2]

Up until science could investigate the very earliest stages of our universe it was thought to have been eternal.

How did man know prior to any technology that we have today know that the universe would be expanding?

How do you know they did know this?

Life is rare according to astrophysicists, it would take 10 to the 500 power of universes to be able to see life on earth according to string theorists.

Complex life as we understand it might be rare. Simple life might be not uncommon. Indeed, there are a couple of locations in our own solar system that might have life potentially.

What is that number and where did you get it from?

Life is already here on Earth, so the chances are 1 in 1 as they are for all events that have already happened.

 

[florida2]

The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
Zechariah 12:1

Also, Once, if you want to be picky about the words being used - what about the 'foundation of the earth'?

That implies that the earth is attached to these foundations and fixed in one place, like the foundations of a house, which it clearly isn't.

 

[Smidlee]

Also, Once, if you want to be picky about the words being used - what about the 'foundation of the earth'?

That implies that the earth is attached to these foundations and fixed in one place, like the foundations of a house, which it clearly isn't.

It's foundations of the earth and not necessary foundations of the Earth.

 

[Loudmouth]

It's foundations of the earth and not necessary foundations of the Earth.

Whether you are talking about what is under the dirt or how the planet moves in the solar system, both are moving. You either have to reject plate tectonism or heliocentrism. Take your pick.