Is there evidence of something beyond nature?

[EternalDragon]

The fact of the matter is, there isn't enough evidence to be conclusive on the matter to any detailed extent. However, if you consider the Big Bang to be the origin of time and physics as we know it, I don't know if the concept of "before" can actually apply

Where were your comments when I was trying to say this exact thing on another thread?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Where were your comments when I was trying to say this exact thing on another thread?

I was banned for a bit. Also, I could have just missed it by chance. And if the thread was in physical and life sciences, I don't frequent that area of the forum very much compared to here.

 

[Loudmouth]

So I must assume then you have no evidence.

You are ignoring the evidence that I have presented.

 

[Oncedeceived]

You are ignoring the evidence that I have presented.

You haven't presented any.

 

[Loudmouth]

You haven't presented any.

"The evidence is the isotropy of the CMB which evidences interaction of energy prior to the initial inflation of the universe. It is analogous to water in your bathtub. When you first pour the bath the water is hot. If you go away and come back the next day the water in the bathtub is the same temperature as the bathroom. That is because there was time for the water to interact with the rest of the bathroom and reach equilibrium. The same for our universe. The temperature is nearly the same across the early universe which is evidence for interaction prior to the Big Bang."

 

[Oncedeceived]

"The evidence is the isotropy of the CMB which evidences interaction of energy prior to the initial inflation of the universe. It is analogous to water in your bathtub. When you first pour the bath the water is hot. If you go away and come back the next day the water in the bathtub is the same temperature as the bathroom. That is because there was time for the water to interact with the rest of the bathroom and reach equilibrium. The same for our universe. The temperature is nearly the same across the early universe which is evidence for interaction prior to the Big Bang."

Like I said, no evidence. There is no evidence that if there is interaction at all, which is a valid argument by the way, there is no evidence for that interaction to be prior to the Big Bang and no evidence for anything to interact.

 

[Loudmouth]

Like I said, no evidence. There is no evidence that if there is interaction at all, which is a valid argument by the way, there is no evidence for that interaction to be prior to the Big Bang and no evidence for anything to interact.

Why isn't it evidence?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Why isn't it evidence?

Are you trying to be obtuse? There is no evidence of anything present to interact let alone any evidence of that hypothesized interaction being prior to the Big Bang.

 

[Loudmouth]

Are you trying to be obtuse?

Are you?

Explain why it isn't evidence.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Are you?

Explain why it isn't evidence.

Originally Posted by Oncedeceived

Like I said, no evidence. There is no evidence that if there is interaction at all, which is a valid argument by the way, there is no evidence for that interaction to be prior to the Big Bang and no evidence for anything to interact.
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[Loudmouth]

Originally Posted by Oncedeceived

Like I said, no evidence. There is no evidence that if there is interaction at all, which is a valid argument by the way, there is no evidence for that interaction to be prior to the Big Bang and no evidence for anything to interact.
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Why isn't it evidence?

I need more than "Nu-uh".

 

[Oncedeceived]

Why isn't it evidence?

I need more than "Nu-uh".

Tell me how the evidence you presented shows that there was interaction prior to the Big Bang and what interacted?

 

[Loudmouth]

Tell me how the evidence you presented shows that there was interaction prior to the Big Bang and what interacted?

"It is analogous to water in your bathtub. When you first pour the bath the water is hot. If you go away and come back the next day the water in the bathtub is the same temperature as the bathroom. That is because there was time for the water to interact with the rest of the bathroom and reach equilibrium. The same for our universe. The temperature is nearly the same across the early universe which is evidence for interaction prior to the Big Bang."

 

[Oncedeceived]

"It is analogous to water in your bathtub. When you first pour the bath the water is hot. If you go away and come back the next day the water in the bathtub is the same temperature as the bathroom. That is because there was time for the water to interact with the rest of the bathroom and reach equilibrium. The same for our universe. The temperature is nearly the same across the early universe which is evidence for interaction prior to the Big Bang."

No, Loudmouth, that is not evidence for interaction prior to the Big Bang. That is the evidence for the inflation of the universe and the Isotropic feature of the universe.

 

[Loudmouth]

No, Loudmouth, that is not evidence for interaction prior to the Big Bang. That is the evidence for the inflation of the universe and the Isotropic feature of the universe.

Why isn't it evidence?

 

[Oncedeceived]

Why isn't it evidence?

I have repeatedly told you why.

 

[Loudmouth]

I have repeatedly told you why.

"Nu-uh" is not a valid argument.

 

[Oncedeceived]

"Nu-uh" is not a valid argument.

You do understand that your "evidence" is not for what you are claiming it is for, right?

 

[Loudmouth]

You do understand that your "evidence" is not for what you are claiming it is for, right?

You do understand that "nu-uh" is not a valid counter-argument, right?

Can you go into a little more depth than "it's not evidence"?

 

[Oncedeceived]

You do understand that "nu-uh" is not a valid counter-argument, right?

Can you go into a little more depth than "it's not evidence"?

Clearly you are not able to provide the evidence and I think you know it.

Show the evidence that the inflation was prior to the Big Bang and what was interacting, both of these elements are critical to your claim and are not being addressed at all.