Is there another "day" of rest still to come?

[Clare73]

Brother, what God tells us about the Sabbaths since that first Sabbath is that He is always at work.

Then you don't know Genesis.
Hebrews is about creation only because that is what God rested from in Genesis.

 

[guevaraj]

Then you don't know Genesis. Hebrews is about creation only because that is what God rested from in Genesis.

Brother, Happy Sabbath begins for me this Friday at 12:24 pm Eastern Standard Time! Accepting God's day in Genesis, I was able to understand His message in Hebrews. The morning-to-morning weekday established in Genesis explains the two announcements in Hebrews. I first understood the first day in Genesis ends in a "morning", followed by Manna spoiling in the "morning", unless the next day was a Sabbath, and finally, I could understand how God prevented Joshua from entering the Sabbath for 40 years in the desert with Manna. The two announcements in Hebrews, chapter 3 and 4, verify the morning-to-morning day in Genesis: first, Joshua did not enter God's "day" of rest during the 40 years with Manna in the desert, and secondly, Joshua did not give God's "day" of rest to Judaism, because hearing the story of Manna, written for us from morning-to-morning did Joshua no good, because he wrongly assumed that the Sabbath in the Promised Land at an earlier time from evening-to-evening is the seventh day of the week when God had taught him for 40 years in the desert that the seventh day of the week is from morning-to-morning and not from evening-to-evening.

1. I first understood Genesis day from morning-to-morning.
2. Then I understood that the days with Manna for 40 years were from morning-to-morning.
3. And finally, in Hebrews 3 and 4, the morning-to-morning of the seventh day near the Promised Land does not enter God's Sabbath, which Joshua entered from evening-to-evening before the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land.

God gave instructions to remember the Sabbath in Jerusalem at an earlier time, from evening-to-evening than the seventh day of the week from morning-to-morning, established in Genesis and confirmed below. Every translation has mistakenly assumed that God's "expression": "the first of the Sabbaths" refers to Sunday when referring to Saturday, another way to refer to the seventh day of the creation week we call Saturday.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Clare73]

Brother, Happy Sabbath begins for me this Friday at 12:24 pm Eastern Standard Time! Accepting God's day in Genesis, I was able to understand His message in Hebrews. The morning-to-morning weekday established in Genesis explains the two announcements in Hebrews. I first understood the first day in Genesis ends in a "morning", followed by Manna spoiling in the "morning", unless the next day was a Sabbath, and finally, I could understand how God prevented Joshua from entering the Sabbath for 40 years in the desert with Manna. The two announcements in Hebrews, chapter 3 and 4, verify the morning-to-morning day in Genesis: first, Joshua did not enter God's "day" of rest during the 40 years with Manna in the desert, and secondly, Joshua did not give God's "day" of rest to Judaism, because hearing the story of Manna, written for us from morning-to-morning did Joshua no good, because he wrongly assumed that the Sabbath in the Promised Land at an earlier time from evening-to-evening is the seventh day of the week when God had taught him for 40 years in the desert that the seventh day of the week is from morning-to-morning and not from evening-to-evening.

1. I first understood Genesis day from morning-to-morning.
2. Then I understood that the days with Manna for 40 years were from morning-to-morning.
3. And finally, in Hebrews 3 and 4, the morning-to-morning of the seventh day near the Promised Land does not enter God's Sabbath, which Joshua entered from evening-to-evening before the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land.

God gave instructions to remember the Sabbath in Jerusalem at an earlier time, from evening-to-evening than the seventh day of the week from morning-to-morning, established in Genesis and confirmed below. Every translation has mistakenly assumed that God's "expression": "the first of the Sabbaths" refers to Sunday when referring to Saturday, another way to refer to the seventh day of the creation week we call Saturday.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Non-responsive to God's full-time rest of Hebrews 4:3.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Non-responsive to God's full-time rest of Hebrews 4:3.

Can you please point out where it says God’s rest is everyday (full-time) in the scripture you posted:

Hebrews 4:3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:

“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”

although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.


The scripture says those who believe enter His rest, but in this verse it does not say “full-time” you seem to be adding that. If you look at verse Hebrews 4:6 it says those who disobeyed did not enter due to disobedience so disbelief and disobedience are interchangeable. What was their disobedience of for those who it was first preached? The Sabbath Ezekiel 20:13

If you go to verse 10 of this same chapter it says:

Hebrews 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.

So instead of “full time” rest which no where in this passage says, we enter His spiritual rest when we cease from our works as God did from His. When in scripture does God cease from His work? On the seventh day Genesis 2:1-3. When does God tell us to cease from our work? The same day Exodus 20:8-11.

All other days are working days according to God Exodus 20:9

To enter His rest we must cease from our work. If that was everyday, we would all be broke. What this very important passage is saying that many twist to mean the exact opposite, is said clearly in verse Hebrews 4:9.


Hebrews 4:9 There remaineth therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
Rest here is sabbatismos which literally means keeping of the Sabbath. So this verse says there remains a keeping of the Sabbath for the people of God.

σαββατισμὸς (sabbatismos)
Noun - Nominative Masculine Singular
Strong's 4520: A keeping of the Sabbath, a Sabbath rest.

The door to the spiritual rest in Christ is keeping the Sabbath. This is the sign between God and His people. Ezekiel 20:20. Hebrews 4 is a call to keep His Sabbath commandment and “today” if we hear His voice we should not harden our hearts. We are sanctified through His Word John 17:17 and His Word is that we keep holy His Sabbath day because it is sanctifying and we can not sanctify ourselves through our disobedience to God. Exodus 20:8-11, Ezekiel 20:12

 

[Clare73]

Can you please point out where it says God’s rest is everyday (full-time) in the scripture you posted.

Hebrews 4:3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:
“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

". . .And yet his work has been finished since the creation of the world. . ."And on the seventh day he rested from all his work." (Hebrews 4:3-4)

The scripture says those who believe enter His rest, but in
this verse is not does say “full-time” you seem to be adding that.

We enter God's rest, which is full-time. That is the reason the writer points it out above.
It is a pattern of our full-time salvation rest from our own work to save and in Jesus' work which saves (Hebrews 4:9-10), which rest those Hebrew Christians were considering not entering, but instead returning to Judaism, which is the reason for the warning against apostasy in Hebrews 6:4-6.

If you look at verse Hebrews 4:6 is saying those who disobeyed did not enter due to disobedience so disbelief and disobedience are interchangeable.
What was their disobedience of for those who it was first preached?

They refused to go into (Numbers 14) the promised rest of Canaan (Joshua 1:13; Exodus 33:14; Deuteronomy 25:19), a rest from their enemies (Deuteronomy 12:9-10), and which is referred to in Hebrews 3:7-11 (i.e., Psalms 95:7-11).

 

[SabbathBlessings]

". . .And yet his work has been finished since the creation of the world. . ."And on the seventh day he rested from all his work." (Hebrews 4:3-4)

Was God’s work finished from the creation of the world? Yes it is Genesis 2:1-3 and did God not rest on the seventh day? Yes He did Genesis 2:1-3. This is in support to what the passage says and not what it does not say and that is God’s rest is “full-time” which you have not provided scripture that support this.

 

[BABerean2]

Was God’s work finished from the creation of the world? Yes it is Genesis 2:1-3 and did God not rest on the seventh day? Yes He did Genesis 2:1-3. This is in support to what the passage says and not what it does not say and that is God’s rest is “full-time” which you have not provided scripture that support this.

"now written in our hearts and minds in the New Covenant. Hebrews 8:10 God asked us to obey all Ten Commandments, not just nine."

You missed a part of Hebrews chapter 8, and part of chapter 12.

Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.


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[SabbathBlessings]

"now written in our hearts and minds in the New Covenant. Hebrews 8:10 God asked us to obey all Ten Commandments, not just nine."

You missed a part of Hebrews chapter 8, and part of chapter 12.

Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.


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We have been through this several times, a covenant is an agreement, the first agreement is obsolete, not the laws according to God. Hebrews 8:10 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

God's saints keep the commandments of God and faith in Jesus Revelation 14:12.

Are God's saints lost or saved? The saints have God's law written in their hearts and they obey because they love God. 1 John 5:3, John 14:15, Exodus 20:6 The saints keep the commandments of God because it is in their minds and they are doers of the God's Word and not just hearers James 1:22, Romans 2:13, Revelation 22:14

 

[Clare73]

Was God’s work finished from the creation of the world? Yes it is Genesis 2:1-3 and did God not rest on the seventh day? Yes He did Genesis 2:1-3. This is in support to what the passage says and not what it does not say and that is God’s rest is “full-time” which you have not provided scripture that support this.

Sorry you don't see Hebrews 4:3-4 as Scripture.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Sorry you don't see Hebrews 4:3-4 as Scripture.

Wow. No words for this unfounded accusation and you can’t quote me saying anything remotely like this, so its just your empty words.

. . .And yet his work has been finished since the creation of the world. . ."And on the seventh day he rested from all his work." (Hebrews 4:3-4)

On the seventh day He rested does not say God is our full-time rest. We are told not to add our words to God’s. Proverbs 30:5-6

Take care.

 

[Clare73]

Wow. No words for this unfounded accusation and you can’t quote me saying anything remotely like this, so its just your empty words.


On the seventh day He rested does not say God is our full-time rest. We are told not to add our words to God’s. Proverbs 30:5-6

Take care.

Non-responsive to Hebrews 4:3-4.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Non-responsive to Hebrews 4:3-4.

Jesus will be the judge of that and what’s really going on here and we are accountable for everything we say and teach.

 

[Clare73]

Jesus will be the judge of that and we are accountable for everything we say and teach.

I can also judge that you did not address the word of God in Hebrews 4:3-4.

 

[guevaraj]

Sorry you don't see Hebrews 4:3-4 as Scripture.

Brother, your point of view is based on a mistranslation. We do not automatically enter the "day" of rest by accepting the "good news" of entering the Sabbath "announced to us just as it was to them" in the desert, like the King James Bible (KJV) mistranslated. What we "can" enter is the "day" of rest in the new covenant "announced to us just as it was to them" by accepting how God prevented Joshua from entering the Sabbath for 40 years in the desert by keeping the seventh day of the week near the Promised Land when the Sabbath is entered earlier than the Seventh day in the Promised Land. Many translations continue the error started by the KJV's misidentification of Joshua as Jesus in Hebrews, chapter 4, when Jesus was not before David to make the "good news" of entering the Sabbath the "gospel" of Jesus. The wrong translation of "gospel" for the phrase the "good news" of entering the Sabbath has influenced wrongly many other Bible translations after the KJV. The newer NKJV fixes the misidentification of Joshua as Jesus but not its effect on the rest of the passage, like the "gospel" (not possible before David), for the phrase, the "good news" of entering the Sabbath, first heard by those that died in the desert. Those, like Joshua, who were not allowed to enter the Sabbath by "oath" near the Promised Land with Manna, that Joshua later entered before the seventh day of the week from evening to evening, having been prevented from entering the Sabbath with Manna for 40 years from morning to morning near the Promised Land. In the Hebrews passage, another "day" refers to a different day than the one thought for the Sabbath since Joshua: not the seventh day of the week everywhere, but the seventh day of the week of creation remembered in the time zone of creation.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. God announced this through David much later in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[BABerean2]

God's saints keep the commandments of God and faith in Jesus Revelation 14:12.

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.


1Jn 3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.


We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.


How many have failed to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage", as Paul instructed in Galatians 4:24-31?


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[Clare73]

Brother, your point of view is based on a mistranslation.

Got it!

When Scripture doesn't agree with you, it is a mistranslation.

 

[guevaraj]

Got it! When Scripture doesn't agree with you, it is a mistranslation.

Brother, it is a mistranslation in the King James Version (KJV), evident in the update in the New King James Version (NKJV). "Joshua" was not "Jesus" before David as found in the KJV and its effect on the rest of the passage, as I explain in my previous post, where the KJV mistranslated the "good news" of entering the Sabbath as the "gospel" of Jesus, which was not possible before David for those who first heard the "good news" of entering the Sabbath in the desert.

again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said: “Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua (not Jesus) had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. (Hebrews 4:7-8 NKJV)​

Here is a translation that didn't make that mistake. Notice that it does not assume that those who have accepted Jesus have already entered the "day" of rest as the KJV mistranslated the "good news" of entering the Sabbath as the "gospel" of Jesus.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. God announced this through David much later in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Clare73]

Brother, it is a mistranslation in the King James Version (KJV), evident in the update in the New King James Version (NKJV). "Joshua" was not "Jesus" before David as found in the KJV and its effect on the rest of the passage, as I explain in my previous post, where the KJV mistranslated the "good news" of entering the Sabbath as the "gospel" of Jesus, which was not possible before David for those who first heard the "good news" of entering the Sabbath in the desert.

Irrelevant to my post.

 

[guevaraj]

Non-responsive to God's full-time rest of Hebrews 4:3.

Brother, let's take a close look at the mistranslation because the King James Version (KJV) translators thought the "good news" of entering the Sabbath was Jesus' "gospel" before David.

For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. (Hebrews 4:3 KJV)​

The above translation misconstrues the "good news" of entering the Sabbath as Jesus' "gospel" before David and translates belief in this "good news" as having already entered the "day" of rest without the need to keep the Sabbath. The translation below does not make the mistake of thinking that the "good news" of entering the Sabbath is Jesus' "gospel" before David and tells us that we "can" enter the Sabbath if we believe in the "good news" of how to enter and how not enter the Sabbath "announced to us just as it was to them", like Joshua, who were not allowed to enter the "day" of rest for 40 years in the desert with Manna near the Promised Land that Joshua later entered at a time before the seventh day of the week in the Promised Land.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” (Hebrews 4:1-5 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[BABerean2]

where the KJV mistranslated the "good news" of entering the Sabbath as the "gospel" of Jesus, which was not possible before David for those who first heard the "good news" of entering the Sabbath in the desert.

Read Hebrews chapter 11, which is the "faith" chapter, if you do not believe the OT Saints never heard the "Good News" of the Gospel.

What did Paul say below?

Gal_3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.


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