Is there another "day" of rest still to come?

[SabbathBlessings]

It’s been a while since I posted this, but for any new posters looking at this thread this is what the SDA church believes and teaches regarding God’s holy Sabbath day. The teachings on this thread is not the SDA view of the Sabbath and is unique to the OP.

What Adventists Believe about the Sabbath - Adventist.org

The gracious Creator, after the six days of Creation, rested on the seventh day and instituted the Sabbath for all people as a memorial of Creation. The fourth commandment of God’s unchangeable law requires the observance of this seventh-day Sabbath as the day of rest, worship, and ministry in harmony with the teaching and practice of Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day of delightful communion with God and one another. It is a symbol of our redemption in Christ, a sign of our sanctification, a token of our allegiance, and a foretaste of our eternal future in God’s kingdom. The Sabbath is God’s perpetual sign of His eternal covenant between Him and His people. Joyful observance of this holy time from evening to evening, sunset to sunset, is a celebration of God’s creative and redemptive acts. (Gen. 2:1-3; Exod. 20:8-11; 31:13-17; Lev. 23:32; Deut. 5:12-15; Isa. 56:5, 6; 58:13, 14; Ezek. 20:12, 20; Matt. 12:1-12; Mark 1:32; Luke 4:16; Heb. 4:1-11.)

 

[guevaraj]

Brother, most people take that to mean he was anticipating the extreme agony and mental suffering on the cross. Back to the Sabbath, when the observance is changed from morning to morning to evening to evening, is it moved forward 12 hours, or backward 12 hours? United in saying Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Brother, the Sabbath in the Promised Land moves backward 12 hours. God taught Joshua for 40 years in the desert near the Promised Land that keeping the seventh day of the week does not enter the Sabbath, being 12 hours late in the Promised Land. The Sabbath in the Promised Land falls and takes halves between Friday and Saturday, so you only get half of a Friday and half of a Saturday in the Promised Land, with a Sabbath taking halves between those two days, giving us the following order: Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Sabbath, and Saturday, the Sabbath being an eighth division in the seven-day week.

The "evening" ending the Sabbath in the Promised Land is part of Saturday, as shown in the passage below where God uses an "expression" that was not previously understood: "the first of the Sabbaths". This "expression" refers to the first Sabbath of creation week or another way of saying the seventh day of the week that we call Saturday. I will use Saturday for the seventh day as different from the Sabbath, which is separate from the seventh day in the Promised Land, to correct the translation of this "expression" of God. Here, "as it dawns beyond Saturday" refers to the end of the second half of Saturday, the night half from evening to morning, where Jesus rose on a Saturday night after the Sabbath in the Promised Land and before the morning begins Sunday, as the days of creation are corrected from human tradition since Joshua in the message of the "day" of rest in Hebrews.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, the Sabbath in the Promised Land moves backward 12 hours. God taught Joshua for 40 years in the desert near the Promised Land that keeping the seventh day of the week does not enter the Sabbath, being 12 hours late in the Promised Land. The Sabbath in the Promised Land falls and takes halves between Friday and Saturday, so you only get half of a Friday and half of a Saturday in the Promised Land, with a Sabbath taking halves between those two days, giving us the following order: Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Sabbath, and Saturday, the Sabbath being an eighth division in the seven-day week.

The "evening" ending the Sabbath in the Promised Land is part of Saturday, as shown in the passage below where God uses an "expression" that was not previously understood: "the first of the Sabbaths". This "expression" refers to the first Sabbath of creation week or another way of saying the seventh day of the week that we call Saturday. I will use Saturday for the seventh day as different from the Sabbath, which is separate from the seventh day in the Promised Land, to correct the translation of this "expression" of God. Here, "as it dawns beyond Saturday" refers to the end of the second half of Saturday, the night half from evening to morning, where Jesus rose on a Saturday night after the Sabbath in the Promised Land and before the morning begins Sunday, as the days of creation are corrected from human tradition since Joshua in the message of the "day" of rest in Hebrews.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Okay, so... Are you saying that in Jerusalem, the days of the week start at sunrise, while the Sabbath starts 12 hours earlier at sunset, before the 7th sunrise?

 

[guevaraj]

Okay, so... Are you saying that in Jerusalem, the days of the week start at sunrise, while the Sabbath starts 12 hours earlier at sunset, before the 7th sunrise?

Brother, yes! You got it! God gave instructions to remember the Sabbath in Jerusalem at an earlier time, from evening-to-evening than the seventh day of the week from morning-to-morning, established in Genesis and confirmed below. Every translation has mistakenly assumed that God's "expression": "the first of the Sabbaths" refers to Sunday when referring to Saturday, another way to refer to the seventh day of the creation week we call Saturday.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, yes! You got it! God gave instructions to remember the Sabbath in Jerusalem at an earlier time, from evening-to-evening than the seventh day of the week from morning-to-morning, established in Genesis and confirmed below. Every translation has mistakenly assumed that God's "expression": "the first of the Sabbaths" refers to Sunday when referring to Saturday, another way to refer to the seventh day of the creation week we call Saturday.

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Brother, it's an interesting idea. As you say, no translation has gotten it right. And as we talked about earlier, other people are not adopting your ideas.

I'll be interested to see if you can get a movement started.

Peace be with you, my brother!

United in one body of Christ.

 

[guevaraj]

Brother, it's an interesting idea. As you say, no translation has gotten it right. And as we talked about earlier, other people are not adopting your ideas. I'll be interested to see if you can get a movement started. Peace be with you, my brother! United in one body of Christ.

Brother, it is a prophesy and therefore certain that we will understand! The church will understand the truth about the days of the week from morning to morning and what it means to keep the Sabbath from evening to evening in the Promised Land, where "another day" refers to a different day than thought for the Sabbath: not the seventh day of the week everywhere, but the seventh day of the week of creation.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

It was prophesied by the angel through our prophetess that "Ye shall understand, but not yet, not yet".

I saw that it is even so: “From even unto even, shall ye celebrate your Sabbath.” Said the angel: “Take the word of God, read it, understand, and ye cannot err. Read carefully, and ye shall there find what even is, and when it is.” I asked the angel if the frown of God had been upon His people for commencing the Sabbath as they had. I was directed back to the first rise of the Sabbath, and followed the people of God up to this time, but did not see that the Lord was displeased, or frowned upon them. I inquired why it had been thus, that at this late day we must change the time of commencing the Sabbath. Said the angel: “Ye shall understand, but not yet, not yet.” Said the angel: “If light come, and that light is set aside or rejected, then comes condemnation and the frown of God; but before the light comes, there is no sin, for there is no light for them to reject.” I saw that it was in the minds of some that the Lord had shown that the Sabbath commenced at six o'clock, when I had only seen that it commenced at “even,” and it was inferred that even was at six. I saw that the servants of God must draw together, press together. (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, Page 116)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, it is a prophesy and therefore certain that we will understand! The church will understand the truth about the days of the week from morning to morning and what it means to keep the Sabbath from evening to evening in the Promised Land, where "another day" refers to a different day than thought for the Sabbath: not the seventh day of the week everywhere, but the seventh day of the week of creation.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

It was prophesied by the angel through our prophetess that "Ye shall understand, but not yet, not yet".

I saw that it is even so: “From even unto even, shall ye celebrate your Sabbath.” Said the angel: “Take the word of God, read it, understand, and ye cannot err. Read carefully, and ye shall there find what even is, and when it is.” I asked the angel if the frown of God had been upon His people for commencing the Sabbath as they had. I was directed back to the first rise of the Sabbath, and followed the people of God up to this time, but did not see that the Lord was displeased, or frowned upon them. I inquired why it had been thus, that at this late day we must change the time of commencing the Sabbath. Said the angel: “Ye shall understand, but not yet, not yet.” Said the angel: “If light come, and that light is set aside or rejected, then comes condemnation and the frown of God; but before the light comes, there is no sin, for there is no light for them to reject.” I saw that it was in the minds of some that the Lord had shown that the Sabbath commenced at six o'clock, when I had only seen that it commenced at “even,” and it was inferred that even was at six. I saw that the servants of God must draw together, press together. (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, Page 116)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Brother, this came to my mind, what Gamaliel says in Acts 5
If this counsel or this work is of men, it will be overthrown. But if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow it, and you would be found even to be fighting against God!

If the church begins to adopt your ideas, we'll know there is something to them. That will be exciting to see!

United in one body of Christ.

 

[guevaraj]

Brother, this came to my mind, what Gamaliel says in Acts 5 If this counsel or this work is of men, it will be overthrown. But if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow it, and you would be found even to be fighting against God! If the church begins to adopt your ideas, we'll know there is something to them. That will be exciting to see! United in one body of Christ.

Brother, happy Sabbath! The church has no other defense based on the word of God than to put its trust in an ancient human tradition that goes back to Joshua, which God opposes in the message of the "day" of rest in the book of Hebrews and that is biblically indefensible given the first day in the book of Genesis.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 ESV)​

Our church must understand that you cannot have an "evening" without light first, because it is the gradual transition from light to dark. It is not the same from evening-to-morning above as evening-to-evening below, when the former is half the time of the latter. Above, a day is from first light to morning light, just as below a Sabbath is from evening to evening, making the first full day start as it ends from morning to morning, except for the special case of the first day where there was no gradual transition from dark to light, but an instantaneous change, unlike the first "evening" in the middle of the first day which made a gradual transition from light to dark.

It shall be to you a Sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict yourselves. On the ninth day of the month beginning at evening, from evening to evening shall you keep your Sabbath.” (Leviticus 23:32 ESV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, happy Sabbath! The church has no other defense based on the word of God than to put its trust in an ancient human tradition that goes back to Joshua, which God opposes in the message of the "day" of rest in the book of Hebrews and that is biblically indefensible given the first day in the book of Genesis.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 ESV)​

Our church must understand that you cannot have an "evening" without light first, because it is the gradual transition from light to dark. It is not the same from evening-to-morning above as evening-to-evening below, when the former is half the time of the latter. Above, a day is from first light to morning light, just as below a Sabbath is from evening to evening, making the first full day start as it ends from morning to morning, except for the special case of the first day where there was no gradual transition from dark to light, but an instantaneous change, unlike the first "evening" in the middle of the first day which made a gradual transition from light to dark.

It shall be to you a Sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict yourselves. On the ninth day of the month beginning at evening, from evening to evening shall you keep your Sabbath.” (Leviticus 23:32 ESV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Brother, happy Sabbath! My impression is that your conclusion is based on very specific interpretations and, at least in one case, your own translation.

Now... the prophecy that you often quote, something about "when it is", doesn't it refer to multiple people? I can't remember exactly how it goes.

United in one body.

 

[guevaraj]

the prophecy that you often quote, something about "when it is", doesn't it refer to multiple people? I can't remember exactly how it goes. United in one body.

Brother, the church has never changed "when it is" that evening takes place since Joshua. The church still assumes the human tradition since Joshua that the first "evening" took place at the beginning of the first day, when it takes place in the middle of the first day.

I saw that it is even so: “From even unto even, shall ye celebrate your Sabbath.” Said the angel: “Take the word of God, read it, understand, and ye cannot err. Read carefully, and ye shall there find what even is, and when it is.” I asked the angel if the frown of God had been upon His people for commencing the Sabbath as they had. I was directed back to the first rise of the Sabbath, and followed the people of God up to this time, but did not see that the Lord was displeased, or frowned upon them. I inquired why it had been thus, that at this late day we must change the time of commencing the Sabbath. Said the angel: “Ye shall understand, but not yet, not yet.” Said the angel: “If light come, and that light is set aside or rejected, then comes condemnation and the frown of God; but before the light comes, there is no sin, for there is no light for them to reject.” I saw that it was in the minds of some that the Lord had shown that the Sabbath commenced at six o'clock, when I had only seen that it commenced at “even,” and it was inferred that even was at six. I saw that the servants of God must draw together, press together. (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, Page 116)​

When our prophetess received the above message, the church had understood the first part: "what even is", but not the second part: "when it is". They still assume to this day the human tradition since Joshua that the first "evening" took place at the beginning of the first day, when I know it took place in the middle of the first day. The first day is from first light to morning light or from morning to morning, except for the special case of the first day, which did not start on a standard morning because it was an instantaneous change and not a gradual transition from dark to light to make it a standard morning as it is for subsequent days.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 ESV)​

Our church must understand that you cannot have an "evening" without light first, because it is the gradual transition from light to dark. It is not the same from evening-to-morning above as evening-to-evening below, when the former is half the time of the latter. Above, a day is from first light to morning light, just as below a Sabbath is from evening to evening, making the first full day start as it ends from morning to morning, except for the special case of the first day where there was no gradual transition from dark to light, but an instantaneous change, unlike the first "evening" in the middle of the first day which made a gradual transition from light to dark.

It shall be to you a Sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict yourselves. On the ninth day of the month beginning at evening, from evening to evening shall you keep your Sabbath.” (Leviticus 23:32 ESV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, the church has never changed "when it is" that evening takes place since Joshua. The church still assumes the human tradition since Joshua that the first "evening" took place at the beginning of the first day, when it takes place in the middle of the first day.

I saw that it is even so: “From even unto even, shall ye celebrate your Sabbath.” Said the angel: “Take the word of God, read it, understand, and ye cannot err. Read carefully, and ye shall there find what even is, and when it is.” I asked the angel if the frown of God had been upon His people for commencing the Sabbath as they had. I was directed back to the first rise of the Sabbath, and followed the people of God up to this time, but did not see that the Lord was displeased, or frowned upon them. I inquired why it had been thus, that at this late day we must change the time of commencing the Sabbath. Said the angel: “Ye shall understand, but not yet, not yet.” Said the angel: “If light come, and that light is set aside or rejected, then comes condemnation and the frown of God; but before the light comes, there is no sin, for there is no light for them to reject.” I saw that it was in the minds of some that the Lord had shown that the Sabbath commenced at six o'clock, when I had only seen that it commenced at “even,” and it was inferred that even was at six. I saw that the servants of God must draw together, press together. (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, Page 116)​

When our prophetess received the above message, the church had understood the first part: "what even is", but not the second part: "when it is". They still assume to this day the human tradition since Joshua that the first "evening" took place at the beginning of the first day, when I know it took place in the middle of the first day. The first day is from first light to morning light or from morning to morning, except for the special case of the first day, which did not start on a standard morning because it was an instantaneous change and not a gradual transition from dark to light to make it a standard morning as it is for subsequent days.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 ESV)​

Our church must understand that you cannot have an "evening" without light first, because it is the gradual transition from light to dark. It is not the same from evening-to-morning above as evening-to-evening below, when the former is half the time of the latter. Above, a day is from first light to morning light, just as below a Sabbath is from evening to evening, making the first full day start as it ends from morning to morning, except for the special case of the first day where there was no gradual transition from dark to light, but an instantaneous change, unlike the first "evening" in the middle of the first day which made a gradual transition from light to dark.

It shall be to you a Sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict yourselves. On the ninth day of the month beginning at evening, from evening to evening shall you keep your Sabbath.” (Leviticus 23:32 ESV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Brother, happy Sabbath! Okay... And in the prophecy where it says things like Ye shall there find... Is it using Ye as a plural?

United in one body.

 

[guevaraj]

Brother, happy Sabbath! Okay... And in the prophecy where it says things like Ye shall there find.. Is it using Ye as a plural? United in one body.

Brother, in modern English, the angel would have said: "There you will find...", however, this would have been more ambiguous than what the angel actually said. "Ye" is more explicit than "you", because the word "you" can be used as singular or plural, but "Ye" is always plural.

Ye is an old-fashioned, poetic, or religious word for you when you are talking to more than one person. Abandon hope all ye who enter here. (Collins English Dictionary)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, in modern English, the angel would have said: "There you will find...", however, this would have been more ambiguous than what the angel actually said. "Ye" is more explicit than "you", because the word "you" can be used as singular or plural, but "Ye" is always plural.

Ye is an old-fashioned, poetic, or religious word for you when you are talking to more than one person. Abandon hope all ye who enter here. (Collins English Dictionary)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Brother, happy Sabbath! So cool! The "Ye shall understand..." applies to more than one person, then. So when another person joins you, that will be interesting. When it turns into a movement, that will be really interesting.

May the peace of the Lord be always with you!

United in one body.

 

[BABerean2]

Brother, read on and you will see that Paul is talking about human rules and not God's rules.

You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the spiritual powers of this world. So why do you keep on following the rules of the world, such as, “Don’t handle! Don’t taste! Don’t touch!”? Such rules are mere human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them. These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, pious self-denial, and severe bodily discipline. But they provide no help in conquering a person’s evil desires. (Colossians 2:20-23 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Paul speaks of the "two covenants" in Galatians 4:24-31 and instructs the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage". This agrees with Paul's contrast of the two covenants in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8 where he spoke of the ten commandments in the past tense.

We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.

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[guevaraj]

Paul speaks of the "two covenants" in Galatians 4:24-31 and instructs the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage".

Brother, the problem with the old covenant is the “human effort” made clear by the story of Hagar to fulfill God’s promise to Abraham of a son from Sarah. Hagar represents the "human effort" to fulfill the promise of birth through Sarah, by the power of the Spirit. God brings about our new birth through the law given by the Spirit. Jerusalem renders God's law by the Spirit ineffective by adding human laws that keep them in sin instead of separating sin from our character as God intended by giving His law. For example, Judaism added not to pronounce the name of God so as not to misuse His name. This additional human law of avoidance does not help us grow out of sin, rather than to actually make the effort to obey what God asks instead of what humans added to the law of Judaism. The problem is the human laws in Judaism to fulfill God’s promise of separating sin from our character and not the law given by the Spirit.

These two women serve as an illustration of God’s two covenants. The first woman, Hagar, represents Mount Sinai where people received the law (the promise of birth by the power of the Spirit) that enslaved them (to birth by human effort). And now Jerusalem is just like Mount Sinai in Arabia, because she and her children live in slavery to the law (added to Judaism from human effort). But the other woman, Sarah, represents the heavenly Jerusalem. She is the free woman, and she is our mother. As Isaiah said, “Rejoice, O childless woman, you who have never given birth! Break into a joyful shout, you who have never been in labor! For the desolate woman (Sarah) now has more children than the woman who lives with her husband! (a regular wife)” And you, dear brothers and sisters, are children of the promise, just like Isaac. But you are now being persecuted by those who want you to keep the law (added to Judaism from human effort), just as Ishmael, the child born by human effort, persecuted Isaac, the child born by the power of the Spirit. But what do the Scriptures say about that? “Get rid of the slave and her son, for the son (born by human effort) of the slave woman will not share the inheritance with the free woman’s son (born by the power of the Spirit).” So, dear brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman (born by human effort); we are children of the free woman (born by the power of the Spirit). (Galatians 4:24-31 NLT)​

This agrees with Paul's contrast of the two covenants in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8 where he spoke of the ten commandments in the past tense.

The old way of the Ten Commandments was an outline compared to the full-fledged story of Jesus’ life as an example to follow in the new way with the added new Eleventh Commandment.

We are confident of all this because of our great trust in God through Christ. It is not that we think we are qualified to do anything on our own. Our qualification comes from God. He has enabled us to be ministers of his new covenant (faster cycle of forgiveness by Jesus as our High Priest in the heavenly temple). This is a covenant not of written laws (slow cycle of forgiveness through animal sacrifices in an earthly temple copy), but of the Spirit (faster cycle of forgiveness by Jesus as our High Priest from the heavenly temple). The old written covenant (slow cycle of forgiveness through animal sacrifices in an earthly temple copy) ends in death (slow and sabotaged by human effort like in the story of Hagar); but under the new covenant (faster cycle of forgiveness by Jesus as our High Priest from the heavenly temple), the Spirit gives life (faster cycle of forgiveness to liberate from sin). The old way (slow animal sacrifices), with laws etched in stone (10 commandments), led to death (slow and sabotaged by human effort like in the story of Hagar), though it began with such glory (righteousness) that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face (fading away). For his face shone with the glory (righteousness) of God, even though the brightness was already fading away (from Moses' face). Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory (righteousness) under the new way (faster cycle of forgiveness by Jesus as our High Priest in the heavenly temple), now that the Holy Spirit is giving life (faster cycle of forgiveness to liberate from sin)? If the old way (slow animal sacrifices), which brings condemnation, was glorious (10 commandments), how much more glorious (11 commandments) is the new way (faster cycle of forgiveness by Jesus as our High Priest), which makes us right with God (faster to liberate from sin)! In fact, that first glory (10 commandments) was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory (11 commandments) of the new way (faster cycle of forgiveness by Jesus as our High Priest). So if the old way, which has been replaced (slow animal sacrifices), was glorious (10 commandments), how much more glorious (11 commandments) is the new (faster cycle of forgiveness by Jesus as our High Priest), which remains forever (faster to liberate from sin)! (2 Corinthians 3:4-11 NLT)​

We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.

The old covenant with animal sacrifices and an earthly temple "copy" was a stand-in for the new covenant with Jesus as our High Priest in the real temple in heaven. Forgiveness was never possible by the death of animal sacrifices, which were a stand-in for the future forgiveness of Jesus as our High Priest in the real temple in heaven, where the earthly temple was a stand-in "copy" before the death of Jesus validated all earlier and future forgiveness as our High Priest.

• Mount Sinai - Animal sacrifices in an earthly temple "copy" as a stand-in, borrowing credit from the future daily of Jesus as our High Priest in the heavenly temple.
• Mount Zion - Jesus in the heavenly temple as our High Priest to forgive sins daily.

In the following passage we read the contrast between the inhabitants of earth and heaven. Do we choose to live as those in heaven who are obedient to God or as those on earth who disobeyed so much so that they angered God for 40 years in the desert? In God’s anger He prevented them from entering by “oath” His “day” of rest for 40 years in the desert that Joshua later entered in the Promised Land under a human tradition, corrected in Hebrews’ call to keep God’s true “day” of rest free from human tradition since Joshua in the new covenant.

You have not come to a physical mountain, to a place of flaming fire, darkness, gloom, and whirlwind, as the Israelites did at Mount Sinai. For they heard an awesome trumpet blast and a voice so terrible that they begged God to stop speaking. They staggered back under God’s command: “If even an animal touches the mountain, it must be stoned to death.” Moses himself was so frightened at the sight that he said, “I am terrified and trembling.” No, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to countless thousands of angels in a joyful gathering. You have come to the assembly of God’s firstborn children, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God himself, who is the judge over all things. You have come to the spirits of the righteous ones in heaven who have now been made perfect. You have come to Jesus, the one who mediates the new covenant between God and people, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks of forgiveness instead of crying out for vengeance like the blood of Abel. (Hebrews 12:18-24 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

My impression is that your conclusion is based on very specific interpretations

Brother, happy Sabbath! The so-called "moral laws" are a human category based on the Hebrew word from Exodus 21, translated as "Judgments" (mishpatim). For the Jews, these laws include the Ten Commandments. This grouping does not help to separate the minimum Ten Commandments in the old covenant, as Jesus' answer to "what should I do to inherit eternal life?" in the next passage.

Once a religious leader asked Jesus this question: “Good Teacher, what should I do to inherit eternal life?” “Why do you call me good?” Jesus asked him. “Only God is truly good. But to answer your question, you know the commandments: ‘You must not commit adultery. You must not murder. You must not steal. You must not testify falsely. Honor your father and mother.’” The man replied, “I’ve obeyed all these commandments since I was young.” When Jesus heard his answer, he said, “There is still one thing you haven’t done. Sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Luke 18:18-22 NLT)​

What I see in the Bible as a difference between the Ten Commandments and the other laws is that the Ten Commandments tell us how not to sin and how to stay on the path of love.

1. God separated these most important laws from others by writing them himself with His finger on two stone tablets.
2. Any law that tells us how not to sin cannot be removed, only "surpassed": expanded to include more.
3. The Ten Commandments tell us how to stay on the path of love for God and neighbor.

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, happy Sabbath! The so-called "moral laws" are a human category based on the Hebrew word from Exodus 21, translated as "Judgments" (mishpatim). For the Jews, these laws include the Ten Commandments. This grouping does not help to separate the minimum Ten Commandments in the old covenant, as Jesus' answer to "what should I do to inherit eternal life?" in the next passage.

Once a religious leader asked Jesus this question: “Good Teacher, what should I do to inherit eternal life?” “Why do you call me good?” Jesus asked him. “Only God is truly good. But to answer your question, you know the commandments: ‘You must not commit adultery. You must not murder. You must not steal. You must not testify falsely. Honor your father and mother.’” The man replied, “I’ve obeyed all these commandments since I was young.” When Jesus heard his answer, he said, “There is still one thing you haven’t done. Sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Luke 18:18-22 NLT)​

What I see in the Bible as a difference between the Ten Commandments and the other laws is that the Ten Commandments tell us how not to sin and how to stay on the path of love.

1. God separated these most important laws from others by writing them himself with His finger on two stone tablets.
2. Any law that tells us how not to sin cannot be removed, only "surpassed": expanded to include more.
3. The Ten Commandments tell us how to stay on the path of love for God and neighbor.

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Jorge, my man, good to hear from you! How have you been, and happy Sabbath!

Brother, that is interesting, about the mishpatim.

Would you be willing to post it on this thread over here?
How do We Know if We are in YHWH's Renewed Covenant?

United in praying Even so come, Lord Jesus!

 

[Leaf473]

@guevaraj

Brother, happy Sabbath!

Thank you for putting post #76 also on the other thread.

United in praying Even so come, Lord Jesus!