Is there a gay demon or a demon for every sin?

[Episaw]

The Bible. Demons are not called out by the apostles. The apostles tell us to flee from sin that begins in the heart. Your source for demons for everything.

Mat_8:16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:

Mat_10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

Mat_12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Mar_1:27 And they were all amazed, insomuch that they questioned among themselves, saying, What thing is this? what new doctrine is this? for with authority commandeth he even the unclean spirits, and they do obey him.

Mar_3:11 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.

Mar_5:13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand and were choked in the sea.

Luk_4:36 And they were all amazed, and spake among themselves, saying, What a word is this! for with authority and power he commandeth the unclean spirits, and they come out.

Luk_6:18 And they that were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed.

Luk_7:21 And in that same hour he cured many of their infirmities and plagues, and of evil spirits; and unto many that were blind he gave sight.

Luk_8:2 And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,

Luk_11:26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

Act_5:16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.

Act_8:7 For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed.

Act_19:12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

Act_19:13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.

1Co_12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

Rev_16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Rev_16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

 

[Episaw]

Working at the behest of Pope John I Dionysius Exigius (aka Dennis the Short), a Russian monk, devised the official Christmas calendar in the year 527 CE (or AD 527). He used the BC and AD system around the birth of Jesus and he arbitrarily chose December 25 in AD 1 as that date. Keep in mind the use of the digit "0" was still several centuries in the future. His calendar had a number of errors a few of which were tidied up by Pope Gregory in 1582.

So no, it was not "always" as you think. It was a human invention. However, thanks to colonialism this calendar is now used worldwide. But less than half the world is Christian, so some historians now use CE (Common Era) and BCE (Before Common Era) in order to get around the Christian bias. It has nothing whatsoever to do with atheism,

So, now that you understand some of the historical background you can see that it is no big deal.

Some historians? Who exactly?

 

[JackRT]

Some historians? Who exactly?

Sheesh! Pick up a few recently published documents.

 

[Episaw]

Strawman argument and logical fallacy, you're shifting the burden of proof again. But I'll bite. There is nothing, either in the Bible or in psychology, to indicate there's a demon for every sin or whatever. And as far as I know there's not even any religious research indicating that wither. In fact a lot of things once attributed to demons (seizures, manic episodes, etc.) we now know as medical conditions, mental disorders, or basic psychology, no demons involved.

Strawman argument and logical fallacy!! If I had a dollar for everytime those sayings were used to make people sound intelligent I could holiday on the Costa Del Sol permanently.

And what do you mean by indicating that wither?

Everything good comes from God. Everything bad comes from Satan. I know secularism wants to provide a naturalistic reason for everything bad but the evidence is not there.

I notice since God has been moved out of the picture, the number of psychologists and psychiatrists has grown exponentially.

Yet there are more people suffering from problems today as there ever was. So the logic is take God out of it and replace him with man and what do you get? An escalation of problems.

So the logic of it is to take man out of it and put God back into it. I studied psychology at Bible College and I can assure you that man is well and truly deceived to think they can solve the problems without God.

At best all they can do is help them cope with the problem. They cannot solve it. I know from a homosexual who is a psychologist that his whole approach is to convince his clients to feel good about being homosexual, even those who do not want to be homosexual.

 

[Episaw]

Sheesh! Pick up a few recently published documents.

What sort of answer is that other than no I can't provide the evidence you want.

 

[JackRT]

What sort of answer is that other than no I can't provide the evidence you want.

It was an honest answer and frankly what you are asking of me is ridiculous. You want me to search the literature and identify those who use CE and BCE? You are welcome to do that yourself.

 

[Episaw]

It was an honest answer and frankly what you are asking of me is ridiculous. You want me to search the literature and identify those who use CE and BCE? You are welcome to do that yourself.

If you cannot provide the evidence which you obviously can't, you should not make the claim.

 

[JackRT]

If you cannot provide the evidence which you obviously can't, you should not make the claim.

John Dominic Crossan has provided a detailed classification of our sources for the historical Jesus according to the chronological stratification of the traditions. For a brief discussion of each source, including the reasons for its proposed dating, see John Dominic Crossan, The Historical Jesus (HarperCollins, 1991) Appendix 1, pp. 427-50. All dates shown are C.E. (Common Era).

I should add, that was taken from a book review. Crossan is a leading and widely renowned bible scholar. Happy now.

 

[Sketcher]

It is safe to assume that they might have certain aberrant predispositions just as evil humans have.

True, but I wouldn't call it safe to assume that we know what those are.

 

[Radrook]

True, but I wouldn't call it safe to assume that we know what those are.

What really gets me about these creatures who saw God face to face, witnessed his creation and were once considered holy is how insane they seem to have become. Imagine meeting aliens from another planet with great technology but insane. Makes you wonder how the heck it could happen.

 

[Sketcher]

What really gets me about these creatures who saw God face to face, witnessed his creation and were once considered holy is how insane they seem to have become. Imagine meeting aliens from another planet with great technology but insane. Makes you wonder how the heck it could happen.

I agree about the insanity. Going up against him was probably the least sane thing ever done by any sapient being.

 

[Episaw]

John Dominic Crossan has provided a detailed classification of our sources for the historical Jesus according to the chronological stratification of the traditions. For a brief discussion of each source, including the reasons for its proposed dating, see John Dominic Crossan, The Historical Jesus (HarperCollins, 1991) Appendix 1, pp. 427-50. All dates shown are C.E. (Common Era).

I should add, that was taken from a book review. Crossan is a leading and widely renowned bible scholar. Happy now.

No, because one is not exactly some. One is singular some is plural. You never form a doctrine with ONE verse of scripture and you never make a case with ONE reference.

Lets face facts, you are clutching at straws.

 

[JackRT]

OK, you're unhappy. Try not to lose any sleep over it.

 

[Radrook]

Mat_8:16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:

Mat_10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

Mat_12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Mar_1:27 And they were all amazed, insomuch that they questioned among themselves, saying, What thing is this? what new doctrine is this? for with authority commandeth he even the unclean spirits, and they do obey him.

Mar_3:11 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.

Mar_5:13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand and were choked in the sea.

Luk_4:36 And they were all amazed, and spake among themselves, saying, What a word is this! for with authority and power he commandeth the unclean spirits, and they come out.

Luk_6:18 And they that were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed.

Luk_7:21 And in that same hour he cured many of their infirmities and plagues, and of evil spirits; and unto many that were blind he gave sight.

Luk_8:2 And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,

Luk_11:26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

Act_5:16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.

Act_8:7 For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed.

Act_19:12 So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

Act_19:13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.

1Co_12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

Rev_16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Rev_16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

They seem to have become veritable morons.

 

[ToBeLoved]

It was an honest answer and frankly what you are asking of me is ridiculous. You want me to search the literature and identify those who use CE and BCE? You are welcome to do that yourself.

That happens a lot on CF. People do not want to do the work themselves, but for others to hand them the answer.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Is this thread going to get back on topic now? If not, I will happily leave.

 

[RDKirk]

I think demons and their great under-lord, Satan, are generalists more than specialists. I can't argue for that, just my impression.

I am not certain about the exact number of sins enumerated in the Bible, but I'm sure they all revolve around, "I wanna ___ and I don't care who says what!"

The thread should have ended with this post.

 

[Archie the Preacher]

The thread should have ended with this post.

I appreciate that! (Now I have to review my past to shrink my swollen head...)

 

[RDKirk]

I appreciate that! (Now I have to review my past to shrink my swollen head...)

I suspect that if/when a demon is assigned to an individual, that demon studies that person and his history and applies temptations according to that person's own fallacies and weaknesses.

 

[Episaw]

OK, you're unhappy. Try not to lose any sleep over it.

Wrong again. I am a very gay sort of person. As I am retired I have plenty of time to listen to the Lord and not lean on my own understanding.

As for sleep, I get plenty of sleep, usually midnight to 9am. Can't complain at that. I am definitely not losing any sleep.