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Is there a Bible verse that affirms Sola Scriptura?

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So you fail to respond to my arguments and expect me to respond to your failure of an argument, most grievously the INCORRECT quoting of God's word. Wonder why I accuse you of making deceptive and hypocritical positions?

1 Timothy 3:14 I hope to come to you soon, but I am writing these things to you so that, 15 if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth. 16 Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness:

He[e] was manifested in the flesh,
vindicated[f] by the Spirit,[g]
seen by angels,
proclaimed among the nations,
believed on in the world,
taken up in glory.

You ignore Verse 14 and use the follow up verse with a quote that dismisses it by dropping the "if". You dismiss the fact that foremost Paul wrote instructions before he may or may be delayed in coming. That means the Church does not need oral traditions to know what to do, because Paul wrote them down and sent them in a letter that we now call scripture. Now the earlier verses of 1 Timothy 3 do suggest how to best run a church, and certainly there are those with authority in the church, but nowhere does scripture say they are infallible.

Next, even the RCC admits the Church is the body of Christians, not members of a specific church organization. Regardless, verse 16 places the authority and provider of truth/godliness in Jesus.
Verse in favor of oral Tradition:
2 Thessalonians 2:15
So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

You still need to refute the statement about the Church being the foundation of the Truth.
 
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The Bible was united as a whole in the 4 century, who made that?
Consider please:

For instance (shown from the KJB and DR; Douay Rheims Online, 'DR' from here on), there was already the "church in the wilderness", which was with Moses, children of Israel:

Act. 7:38 KJB This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Act. 7:38 DR This is he that was in the church in the wilderness, with the angel who spoke to him on mount Sina, and with our fathers; who received the words of life to give unto us.

Additionally, Paul wrote that the "oracles of God" were committed unto the Jews, and Peter also mentions this:

Rom. 3:1 KJB What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

Rom. 3:2 KJB Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Rom. 3:1 DR What advantage then hath the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision?

Rom. 3:2 DR Much every way. First indeed, because the words of God were committed to them.

Heb. 5:12 KJB For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

Heb. 5:12 DR For whereas for the time you ought to be masters, you have need to be taught again what are the first elements of the words of God: and you are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

1 Pet. 4:11 KJB If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

1 Pet. 4:11 DR If any man speak, let him speak, as the words of God. If any man minister, let him do it, as of the power, which God administereth: that in all things God may be honoured through Jesus Christ: to whom is glory and empire for ever and ever. Amen.

Now the DR here (1 Pet. 4:11), inserting a comma changes the meaning, from the text itself as from saying (KJB) that when men speak they are to speak what the scriptures say, and the Jesuit (DR) makes it to mean that whatever a man speaks, that is "the words of God", thus eliminating the foundation from the text itself, to men (in what they say).

The entire OT texts were already 'canon' in the days of Jesus, none of which included any of the apocrypha (aka 'catholic deuterocanon'). Jesus Himself identified the texts:

Luk. 24:44 KJB And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Luk. 24:45 KJB Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Luk. 24:44 DR And he said to them: These are the words which I spoke to you, while I was yet with you, that all things must needs be fulfilled, which are written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Luk. 24:45 DR Then he opened their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures.

Jesus identified the beginning and the ending of the OT among the children of Israel:

Mat. 23:35 KJB That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

Mat. 23:35 DR That upon you may come all the just blood that hath been shed upon the earth, from the blood of Abel the just, even unto the blood of Zacharias the son of Barachias, whom you killed between the temple and the altar.

Luk. 11:50 KJB That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;

Luk. 11:50 DR That the blood of all the prophets which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation,

Luk. 11:51 KJB From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.

Luk. 11:51 DR From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, who was slain between the altar and the temple: Yea I say to you, It shall be required of this generation.

This is an important statement by Jesus since, it gives two 'book ends' on the prophets, "Abel" unto "Zacharias", which was the "A" to "Z" of the OT, since according to the children of Israel's reckoning, Chronicles was the last bookof the Tanakh (OT) [Torah (Gen. to Deut.), Prophets (Jos. to Mal.), Writings (Psa. to 2 Chron.)]:

2 Chron. 24:20 KJB And the Spirit of God came upon Zechariah the son of Jehoiada the priest, which stood above the people, and said unto them, Thus saith God, Why transgress ye the commandments of the LORD, that ye cannot prosper? because ye have forsaken the LORD, he hath also forsaken you.

2 Chron. 24:20 DR The spirit of God then came upon Zacharias the son of Joiada the priest, and he stood in the sight of the people, and said to them: Thus saith the Lord God: Why transgress you the commandment of the Lord which will not be for your good, and have forsaken the Lord, to make him forsake you?

2 Chron. 24:21 KJB And they conspired against him, and stoned him with stones at the commandment of the king in the court of the house of the LORD.

2 Chron. 24:21 DR And they gathered themselves together against him, and stoned him at the king's commandment in the court of the house of the Lord.

2 Chron. 24:22 KJB Thus Joash the king remembered not the kindness which Jehoiada his father had done to him, but slew his son. And when he died, he said, The LORD look upon it, and require it.

2 Chron. 24:22 DR And king Joas did not remember the kindness that Joiada his father had done to him, but killed his son. And when he died, he said: The Lord see, and require it.

I would recommend a helpful webpage with further detail - http://www.biblelight.net/hebrew-canon.htm

Peter also already knew (well before AD 90, sometime circa AD 65-68, since the epistles mention Peter's nearing death (2 Pet. 1:14) what the 'scriptures' were in regards to Paul's epistles (14 letters, Romans to Hebrews; ie, Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, Hebrews):

2 Pet. 3:16 KJB As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

2 Pet. 3:16 DR As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.

The Holy Scriptures are inspired of God, and are therefore, not 'catholic', but rather is God's word, the "word of God" (Jhn. 10:35):

2 Tim. 3:15 KJB And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

2 Tim. 3:15 DR And because from thy infancy thou hast known the holy scriptures, which can instruct thee to salvation, by the faith which is in Christ Jesus.

2 Tim. 3:16 KJB All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Tim. 3:16 DR All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice,

2 Tim. 3:17 KJB That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

2 Tim. 3:17 DR That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work.

2 Pet. 1:21 KJB For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2 Pet. 1:21 DR For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.

The "scriptures" were already well known in Jesus' day in regards the OT, as per:

Dan. 10:21; Mat. 21:42. 22:29, 26:54,56; Mar. 12:10,24, 14:49, 15:28; Luk. 4:21, 24:27,32,45; Jhn. 2:22, 5:39, 7:38,42, 10:35, 13:18, 17:12, 19:24,28,36,37, 20:9; Act. 1:16, 8:32,35, 17:2,11, 18:24,28; Rom. 1:2, 4:3, 9:17, 10:11, 11:2, 15:4, 16:26; 1 Cor. 15:3,4; Gal. 3:8,22, 4:30; 1 Tim. 5:18; 2 Tim. 3:15,16; Jam. 2:8,23, 4:5; 1 Pet. 2:6; 2 Pet. 1:20, 3:16

In fact, how could Jesus say to the Jews, "Search the scriptures" that prophesied of Christ Jesus, if the Jews had no idea what "the scriptures" were, to search, and every man had their own idea as to what constituted them?

Jhn. 5:39 KJB Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Jhn. 5:39 DR Search the scriptures, for you think in them to have life everlasting; and the same are they that give testimony of me.

In fact, none of the apocrypha ('catholic deuterocanon'), are cited by any of the Apostles in the NT as fulfilling prophecy (some might attempt to point to Jud. citing so-called 'Enoch' (pseudopigrahpon), but that is another matter, and it doesn't either, as both are referring to Gen. and Deut.).

The angel Gabriel, in the days of Daniel was able to explain to Daniel, the prophecies given him from the very texts which existed before 'Daniel' was written (basically Gen. to Jer. (maybe some Eze.) and others hadn't yet been written by then, such as Ezr., Neh., Est., etc. and some of the 'minor prophets'):

Dan. 10:21 KJB But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.

Dan. 10:21 DR But I will tell thee what is set down in the scripture of truth: and none is my helper in all these things, but Michael your prince.

As for the 'apocrypha ('catholic deuterocanon'), they were never accepted as Canon in the OT, not even by Jesus' day, nor Josephus' day.

"The apocryphal books were not admitted into the canon of Scripture during the first four centuries of the Christian church. They are not mentioned in the catalogue of inspired writings made by Melito, bishop of Sardis, who flourished in the second century, nor in those of Origen, in the third century, of Athanasius, Hilary, Cyril of Jerusalem, Epiphanius, Gregory Nazianzen, Amphilochius, Jerome, Rufinus, and others of the fourth century; nor in the catalogue of canonical books recognized by the Council of Laodicea, held in the same century, whose canons were received by the Catholic Church; so that, as Bishop Burnet well observes, "we have the concurring sense of the whole church of God in this matter." To this decisive evidence against the canonical authority of the apocryphal books, we may add that they were never read in the Christian church until the fourth century, when, as Jerome informs us, they were read "for example of life and instruction of manners, but were not applied to establish any doctrine;" and contemporary writers state that although they were not approved as canonical or inspired writings, yet some of them, particularly Judith, Wisdom, and Ecclesiasticus, were allowed to be perused by catechumens. As proof that they were not regarded as canonical in the fifth century, Augustine relates that when the book of Wisdom was publicly read in the church, it was given to the readers or inferior ecclesiastical officers, who read it in a lower place than those books which were universally acknowledged to be canonical, which were read by the bishops and presbyters in a more eminent and conspicuous manner. To conclude: Notwithstanding the veneration in which these books were held by the Western Church, it is evident that the same authority was never ascribed to them as to the Old and New Testament; until the last Council of Trent, at its fourth session, presumed to place them all (excepting the prayer of Manasseh and the third and fourth books of Esdras) in the same rank with the inspired writings of Moses and the prophets." - An Introduction to the Critical Study and Knowledge of the Holy Scriptures. by Thomas Hartwell Horne, B.D. of Saint John's College, Cambridge; rector of the United Parishes of Saint Edmund the King and Martyr and Saint Nicholas Acons, Lombard Street; Prebendary of Saint Paul's; New Edition, from the Eighth London Edition, Corrected and Enlarged. Illustrated with numerous maps and fac-similies of Bilical Manuscripts. Volume I. Philadelphia: Published by J. Whetham & Son, 144 Chestnut Street. Stereotyped by L. Johnson. 1841.; page 426 (left column) - https://archive.org/stream/anintroductiont07horngoog#page/n459/mode/1up

Apocrypha, and the reasons they are not accepted as "canon":

"... 1. Not one of them is in the Hebrew language, which was alone (a little Syriac/Chaldee in Daniel, etc.) used by the inspired historians and poets of the Old Testament.

2. Not one of the writers lays any claim to inspiration.

3. These books were never acknowledged as sacred Scriptures by the Jewish Church, and therefore were never sanctioned by our Lord.

4. They were not allowed a place among the sacred books, during the first four centuries of the Christian Church.

5. They contain fabulous statements, and statements which contradict not only the canonical Scriptures, but themselves; as when, in the two Books of Maccabees, Antiochus Epiphanes is made to die three different deaths in as many different places.

6. It inculcates doctrines at variance with the Bible, such as prayers for the dead...

7. It teaches immoral practices, such as lying, suicide, assassination and magical incantation. ..." - bro. Sam Gipp - https://samgipp.com/answerbook/?page=34.htm

As for the amount of 'books' in the whole of scripture as we now have them in the KJB, we can know that ther are 66 books:

There are two stacks of 6 loaves on the table of shewbread, which represents God's word, taken together. 6-6.

Across from the table of shew bread is the candlestick when all the flowers, knops etc added up. 66.

The book of Isaiah, being the mini bible, from creation to redemption and new heavens and earth, are chapters. 66

The number of man is 6. Jesus took upon himself the form of a servant, and became 'man', 6. There God who took upon himself humanity (Jesus) and man. 6 - 6.

The OT itself, the standard of judgment is the limit of the law, meaning, 40 stripes save 1. 39.

The NT is a little more interesting, in that there are 4 gospels, corresponding to the 4 living creatures of Revelation, 7 letters to 7 churches by Paul as like in Revelation, etc and it also ties into the Sanctuary. The 4 gospels in the altar of Sacrifice, the book of Acts the Laver of Baptism, the letters to the churches and epistles the life in the Holy Place (bread (word), incense (prayer), light (share)), and Revelation ending in the Most Holy Place. It also is 3 to the 3rd power (3x3x3). 27.
 
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The Bible was united as a whole in the 4 century, who made that?
Consider this also please:

The word "catholic":

Act. 7:38 KJB This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Act. 7:38 DR This is he that was in the church in the wilderness, with the angel who spoke to him on mount Sina, and with our fathers; who received the words of life to give unto us.

Also, the word 'catholic' is not once found in scripture, at all.

The word “catholic” [Greek, “καθολικος”, Greek Tr. “Katholikos”] is not found in scripture [KJB], nor even directly in the koine Greek manuscripts, but is rather a derivation of two koine Greek words:

[1] [G2596] “καθ” [from “κατα”, a 'preposition'], “kath”, meaning “through” and

[2] [G3650] “ολης” [an 'adjective' [in this instance, though can be used as noun or adverb]], “holos”, meaning “whole, all, entire”.

Therefore, both, when combined together, meaning the “throughout all” [Acts 9:31 KJB], the whole, entire, or 'universal'.

The word 'catholic' is supposedly, as a later adaptation, in the writings of Ignatius ca. AD 110 (however there are issues here as there are forgeries in some if not all of 'Ignatius'), and also by Cyril of Jerusalem, Ireneaus speaking about Polycarp, and used from the 2nd Century onward by a certain class of persons calling themselves by this name, and is ultimately made more and more prominent, especially in the reign of the Emperor Constantine, in the years of the 4 Emperors [and even afterward], and the various political-religious factions all vying for clout for their self-perceived doctrines. I will recommend you read The Two Republics, by A. T. Jones [approximate 1,000 pages], excellent history,- https://ia801409.us.archive.org/10/items/tworepublicsorr00jonegoog/tworepublicsorr00jonegoog.pdf

There are attempts [please note this word] by the apologists of “Catholicism” to 'find' this word “καθολικος” in the scripture [I cite the KJB, the KJB with Strong's notation, the Greek New Testament from Textus Receptus, and also the same with Strong's notation and Robinson's morphological analysis codes, for each verse, words highlighted]:

[01]

Acts 9:31 KJB - Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.

Act 9:31 KJB + - ThenG3767 (G3303) hadG2192 theG3588 churchesG1577 restG1515 throughoutG2596 allG3650 JudaeaG2449 andG2532 GalileeG1056 andG2532 Samaria,G4540 and were edified;G3618 andG2532 walkingG4198 in theG3588 fearG5401 of theG3588 Lord,G2962 andG2532 in theG3588 comfortG3874 of theG3588 HolyG40 Ghost,G4151 were multiplied.G4129

Acts 9:31 GNT TR - αι μεν ουν εκκλησιαι καθ ολης της ιουδαιας και γαλιλαιας και σαμαρειας ειχον ειρηνην οικοδομουμεναι και πορευομεναι τω φοβω του κυριου και τη παρακλησει του αγιου πνευματος επληθυνοντο

Act 9:31 GNT TR + - αιG3588 T-NPF μενG3303 PRT ουνG3767 CONJ εκκλησιαιG1577 N-NPF καθG2596 PREP οληςG3650 A-GSF τηςG3588 T-GSF ιουδαιαςG2449 N-GSF καιG2532 CONJ γαλιλαιαςG1056 N-GSF καιG2532 CONJ σαμαρειαςG4540 N-GSF ειχονG2192 V-IAI-3P ειρηνηνG1515 N-ASF οικοδομουμεναιG3618 V-PPP-NPF καιG2532 CONJ πορευομεναιG4198 V-PNP-NPF τωG3588 T-DSM φοβωG5401 N-DSM τουG3588 T-GSM κυριουG2962 N-GSM καιG2532 CONJ τηG3588 T-DSF παρακλησειG3874 N-DSF τουG3588 T-GSN αγιουG40 A-GSN πνευματοςG4151 N-GSN επληθυνοντοG4129 V-IPI-3P

*This is the only known instance in the Greek TR texts, where these two words are side by side, yet are clearly two distinct words, not directly speaking of the “church” [“εκκλησιαι”, “ekklesiai”] itself as “καθολικος”, but rather references the locality adjectively [“throughout all”] in which the “church” had “rest” [from persecution].

[02]

Romans 16:23 KJB - Gaius mine host, and of the whole church, saluteth you. Erastus the chamberlain of the city saluteth you, and Quartus a brother.

Romans 16:23 KJB + - GaiusG1050 mineG3450 host,G3581 andG2532 of theG3588 wholeG3650 church,G1577 salutethG782 you.G5209 ErastusG2037 theG3588 chamberlainG3623 of theG3588 cityG4172 salutethG782 you,G5209 andG2532 QuartusG2890 a brother.G80

Romans 16:23 GNT TR - ασπαζεται υμας γαιος ο ξενος μου και της εκκλησιας ολης ασπαζεται υμας εραστος ο οικονομος της πολεως και κουαρτος ο αδελφος

Romans 16:23 GNT TR + - ασπαζεταιG782 V-PNI-3S υμαςG4771 P-2AP γαιοςG1050 N-NSM οG3588 T-NSM ξενοςG3581 A-NSM μουG1473 P-1GS καιG2532 CONJ τηςG3588 T-GSF εκκλησιαςG1577 N-GSF οληςG3650 A-GSF ασπαζεταιG782 V-PNI-3S υμαςG4771 P-2AP εραστοςG2037 N-NSM οG3588 T-NSM οικονομοςG3623 N-NSM τηςG3588 T-GSF πολεωςG4172 N-GSF καιG2532 CONJ κουαρτοςG2890 N-NSM οG3588 T-NSM αδελφοςG80 N-NSM

*In this instance, the koine Greek word [G2596] “καθ”, is not used at all in combination “ολης”. The word “ολης” is simply being used [as in many other places, 112 KJB [G3650]] as an adjective [“A-GSF”, Adjective – Genative, Singular, Feminine], to describe the amount [of persons thereof, locally] of the church who is [are] doing the greeting [“Tertius”, vs 22], with Paul and Gaius [Paul's “host”]. It is just simply including everyone in the church in the greeting, even after having listed a bunch of names to be greeted [vss. 1-16]. It does not designate the church as “καθολικος”.

[03]

1 Corinthians 14:23 KJB - If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

1 Corinthians 14:23 KJB + - IfG1437 thereforeG3767 theG3588 wholeG3650 churchG1577 be come togetherG4905 intoG1909 one place,G846 andG2532 allG3956 speakG2980 with tongues,G1100 andG1161 there come inG1525 those that are unlearned,G2399 orG2228 unbelievers,G571 will they notG3756 sayG2046 thatG3754 ye are mad?G3105

1 Corinthians 14:23 GNT TR - εαν ουν συνελθη η εκκλησια ολη επι το αυτο και παντες γλωσσαις λαλωσιν εισελθωσιν δε ιδιωται η απιστοι ουκ ερουσιν οτι μαινεσθε

1 Corinthians 14:23 GN TR + - εανG1437 COND ουνG3767 CONJ συνελθηG4905 V-2AAS-3S ηG3588 T-NSF εκκλησιαG1577 N-NSF οληG3650 A-NSF επιG1909 PREP τοG3588 T-ASN αυτοG846 P-ASN καιG2532 CONJ παντεςG3956 A-NPM γλωσσαιςG1100 N-DPF λαλωσινG2980 V-PAS-3P εισελθωσινG1525 V-2AAS-3P δεG1161 CONJ ιδιωταιG2399 N-NPM ηG2228 PRT απιστοιG571 A-NPM ουκG3756 PRT-N ερουσινG2046 V-FAI-3P οτιG3754 CONJ μαινεσθεG3105 V-PNI-2P

*In this instance, the koine Greek word [G2596] “καθ”, is not used at all in combination “ολης”. The word “ολης” is simply being used [as in many other places, 112 KJB [G3650]] as an adjective [“A-GSF”, Adjective – Nominative, Singular, Feminine], to describe the amount [of persons thereof, locally] of the church if [a possibility] they came together as one group. It does not designate the church as “καθολικος”.

Each attempt to 'find' this word, “καθολικος”, in scripture [KJB] yields no [0] results. The words “καθ” [used 378 times in the GNT TR, G2596] and/or “ολης” [used 112 times in the GNT TR, G3650] are used throughout the scripture, in various ways, most of which are never in connection with the word “εκκλησια” whatsoever.

This is further confirmed by the Jesuit ('catholic') 'bible' itself, put together in the late 1500's, early 1600's AD (NT 1582 AD, OT 1609-10 AD) or more 'modern translations' approved by the 'catholic church' likewise ( http://www.usccb.org/bible/approved-translations/index.cfm or http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/_INDEX.HTM ), wherein if we simply search for the word 'catholic' in the text, the verses, itself (apart from footnotes, commentary, headings), we get the following result, which confirms the earlier statements of myself: "Could not find 'catholic' in any verses of the Whole Bible." - http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/s?q=catholic&b=drb and the same result in the NAB ( http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0839/2/NT.HTM )

The church in the NT was called "sect of the Nazarenes", Act. 24:5; "the way which they call heresy", Act. 24:14 (and I am of this number, as 'catholicism' so designates); "the way", Act. 18:26, and also "Christians", Act. 11:26, 26:28; 1 Peter 4:16. Please notice that last one. Peter himself said "christian", not ever did he take up the word 'catholic' in the scriptures, nor epistles.
 
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2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, (17) that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

Key phrase: "equipped for every good work"

If scripture was fallible it could not be said for "every" good work, but for only "some" good works, leaving us to wonder what "some" good works are. But it does not say that, it says "every" good work.

The word of God and is true, though every man be a liar.

Which scripture do you believe Paul was referring to, given 2Tim. was probably written in 64AD? One can only assume he was referring to the Hebrew scriptures, so where does that leave what later became the canon of the New Testament?
 
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Which scripture do you believe Paul was referring to, given 2Tim. was probably written in 64AD? One can only assume he was referring to the Hebrew scriptures, so where does that leave what later became the canon of the New Testament?

The New Testament is scripture as well, although Timothy did not have the full Bible we have today, it does not make the New Testament fallible simply because Timothy did not have it. It is still God-breathed.
 
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The New Testament is scripture as well, although Timothy did not have the full Bible we have today, it does not make the New Testament fallible simply because Timothy did not have it. It is still God-breathed.

I know that but that is not what I asked you. There was no such thing as the NT when Paul wrote that letter.
 
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Because we are trusting that Church to make the right decision with the Canon.
Well, the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox churches are ones that think councils, custom, legends, traditions etc. are at least as authoritative, when it comes to establishing doctrine, as that very Bible you are crediting them with having canonized!
 
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The scripture itself is like you say from were we get dogmas, but if we don't understand it we get wrong dogmas.

I absolutely agree. But first we have to know what to study!

That's the problem we are looking at here--i.e. what is our authority--not how we handle it.

And even if we chose something else--Holy Tradition, so-called, or Tea leaves, or Astrology--we would STILL have the possibility of disagreements over how to interpret the information. Of the various churches which do go by Tradition instead of Sola Scriptura, NOT ONE OF THEM has the same doctrines (thanks to that Tradition) as the rest of them! So what kind of recommendation is that?

We are not to make theology from other writings than the Bible.

And yet that is what is included within Holy Tradition--council decisions, Papal decrees and etc.

Not anyone, not any church or preacher have the right to make dogmas outside the Biblical cannon. We can never put tradition over scripture, but we understand scripture from tradition. Traditions can be wrong, early writings can be wrong, churches can be wrong, the Bible can't. If this is Sola Scriptura, then sure I believe in it.
Welcome aboard! :)
 
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Sola Scriptura is derived from letting Scripture speak for itself.
Nothing else other than Scripture is mentioned.

John 17:17
"Sanctify them the truth; your word is truth."

John 20:31
"But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name."


2 Timothy 3:15
"and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus."


John 17:17 + John 20:31 + 2 Timothy 3:15 = Sola Scriptura for the truth \ life \ salvation \ faith.
 
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If not, is then Sola Scriptura fake?
Just because the words 'Scripture Alone' is not found in the Bible. Does not negate the concept of its teaching. For example, the word 'Trinity' is nowhere found in Scripture. But the concept of the 'Trinity' is found in Scripture.
 
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Is there a Bible verse that affirms Sola Scriptura?
If not, is then Sola Scriptura fake?
Yes - there are several. They can stand alone. But (like all good systematic doctrines) they are better if considered one with another.

For instance - here are a few which (if taken to their logical conclusions) will make "sola scriptura" seem a necessary conclusion.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men." John 1:1-4

"... My Word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it." Isaiah 55:11

Speaking of that Word of God: "Now there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written." John 21:25

Speaking of that Word of God: "by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things consist."

If the Word of God is the "light of men" and if all things consist of His Word and if the Word is inspired by God and has been sent forth to accomplish all that can be accomplished - we (who are only able to see through the glass darkly) should run to the light of the Word and forsake the darkness which is every other manner of communication.

Whether we are talking about the living or the written Word of God - the Word alone is the only source of light given to men whereby they must be saved.
 
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Are you saying the teaching of Christ is insufficient?
The Bible is inspired. However, the multiple and new ideologies coming from "using only the Scriptures" make non-Christians think otherwise.
 
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Yes - there are several. They can stand alone. But (like all good systematic doctrines) they are better if considered one with another.

For instance - here are a few which (if taken to their logical conclusions) will make "sola scriptura" seem a necessary conclusion.

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men." John 1:1-4

"... My Word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it." Isaiah 55:11

Speaking of that Word of God: "Now there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written." John 21:25

Speaking of that Word of God: "by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things consist."

If the Word of God is the "light of men" and if all things consist of His Word and if the Word is inspired by God and has been sent forth to accomplish all that can be accomplished - we (who are only able to see through the glass darkly) should run to the light of the Word and forsake the darkness which is every other manner of communication.

Whether we are talking about the living or the written Word of God - the Word alone is the only source of light given to men whereby they must be saved.
Isn't Jesus considered "The Word of God" (Logos)?
 
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Isn't Jesus considered "The Word of God" (Logos)?
Yes - and the written Word is that which testifies of Him.

To ignore or detract from the written Word is to ignore or detract from the living Word.

As I said before:
Whether we are talking about the living or the written Word of God - the Word alone is the only source of light given to men whereby they must be saved.
 
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If not, is then Sola Scriptura fake?
In a word "yes" it is required by the Bible.

Acts 17:11 "they studied the scriptures daily to SEE IF those things spoken to them by the Apostle Paul - were SO"

Gal 1:6-9 "Though we (Apostles) or an Angle from heaven should bring to you a different gospel - let him be accursed"

Isaiah 8:20 "to the law and to the testimony - if they speak not according to this Word - they have no light"

Mark 7:6-13 - Christ hammers the traditions and doctrine of the magisterium of His day -- "Sola Scriptura"
 
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Isn't Jesus considered "The Word of God" (Logos)?

I believe that Christ is referred to as the Word of God in the Bible only once (Revelation 19:13), but the Scriptures are called by the term a number of times, at least a half-dozen times.
 
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The Traditions of the Early Church.

Not all forms of Protestantism are committed to denigration of tradition, even if we don't regard those traditions as being necessarily infallible, they form an important context for understanding the Scriptures. After all, Christianity is a religion about Christ, ultimately. If we are elevating aspects of Scriptures to infallibility that have nothing to do with Christ, then we are missing the mark of true Christianity.

The Anglican or Lutheran traditions tend to have a higher view of the early church and tradition. Nikolai Grundtvig, a Lutheran bishop and theologian, in particular, comes to mind as an example of this high view of tradition and the early Church. Grundtvig grounded Christian faith within the Church as a continuous, historical community that confessed a common creed. Grundtvig was writing in the 18th and 19th centuries when higher criticism was starting to raise questions about the Bible.
 
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Good start, but the importance of Sola Scriptura is this, it is the ONLY source of incontrovertible truth.

This is more of a Reformed perspective historically. Lutherans have never regarded the Scriptures as being necessarily exhaustive in terms of being a guide to conduct of life. This is not a liberal or conservative Lutheran perspective, it is shared by all Lutherans, as demonstrated by Pr. Jonathan Fisk:


It is the foundation of the Church.

No, not at all. Christ is the foundation of the Church. The Bible testifies to Christ.

If it can not be trusted as always being true, it will be a weak foundation. This is the standard that we follow, truth will and must always be true. It is easy for something to sometimes be true. But what confidence would we have to follow something or someone that was sometimes true? It is for this reason that the Protestants have less books in the Bible.

This rests on the assumed necessity of a modernist epistemology based on perceived certainty. There are other possible approaches to the Christian faith besides grounding it in rationalism. It is not by reason that we believe, but the Holy Spirit.
 
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