Is the thousand years of Revelation chapter 20 symbolic?

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The fact you are SDA, I'm guessing you don't agree there is no future millennium, you only disagree with the earthly part,

That is true.

parousia70 doesn't believe in a future millennium at all, whether earthly, or heavenly, or whatever.

I suspect that is true as well -- so I only responded to the part I do agree with regarding literal millennium on Earth with people alive on Earth enjoying that fun time.. :)
 
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That is true.



I suspect that is true as well -- so I only responded to the part I do agree with regarding literal millennium on Earth with people alive on Earth enjoying that fun time.. :)


I was mainly doing this for the benefit of others, those who might not be familiar with your position, therefore they wrongly assuming you don't believe in any future millennium of any kind.
 
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I was mainly doing this for the benefit of others, those who might not be familiar with your position, therefore they wrongly assuming you don't believe in any future millennium of any kind.

Much appreciated - I am always happy to clarify something I post to remove all confusion I may have caused. :)
 
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In context, and unfortunately even many Premils disagree with me about this, the goats are not symbolizing the unsaved lost as a whole. They are symbolizing professed servants of Christ, the same ones Jesus said in Matthew 7 that He knew them not. All one has to do is read, starting from Matthew 24:42 up until this judgment in Matthew 25, and they can see Jesus was specifically focusing on two types of servants of His, one being the faithful servant of His, the other being the unfaithful servant of His. The sheep symbolizing the former, the goats symbolizing the latter.

I can accept what you say firstly because I've never believed in OSAS and secondly because as you point out, there is only one context for the entire discourse given by the Lord - the two groups among those who call Him "Lord".
 
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The Bible itself proves there is no literal, FUTURE, earthly millennium. The "evidence" is in the apostolic eschatological doctrine that prohibits any view of the "millennium" that portrays it as a future, literal, earthly epoch. A simple examination of the NT epistles shows that there is no future historical "thousand-years" period. We know this with certainty, for the apostles explicitly identified the precise timing of the resurrection, the judgment, and the New Heaven/Earth -- they all occur at the coming of Jesus Christ, thus proving that there is no literal "thousand years" that separates these events out over time.

(1) The resurrection occurs at the coming of Christ (1 Cor 15:23)

Paul states that there are different resurrections: Christ, the first-fruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. Following this He will hand the kingdom back to God the Father. Revelation 20 clearly states that death and hades will deliver up ALL the souls in them. Paul says those who are in Christ will be delivered up from death when Christ returns.

Satan is not cast into the lake of fire at the same time as the beast and its false prophet, according to scripture (but some don't regard Revelation 20 as scripture). If death and hades deliver up ALL the dead in them and Satan is cast into the lake of fire, but the beast and false prophet are already there, then there is a gap (if we believe scripture and not theology).

The Bible itself proves there is a literal, FUTURE, thousand-year reign of Christ on earth, when the prophetic books are all studied and all statements considered.
(2) The judgment occurs at the coming of Christ (2 Tim 4:1; Rev 11:15-18)

You speak as though "the judgment" = one only judgment, but the Bible states otherwise (for those who believe the scriptures): The judgment which lands the beast and false prophet in the lake of fire after the Armageddon battle, and the judgment which lands Satan in the lake of fire, where the beast and false prophet (already) are, after the Gog-Magog final rebellion.

Scripture teaches that those who died in Christ will rise from the dead after the Armageddon battle, and those in Christ who are still alive will be changed. This is unlike the fact that scripture teaches that death and hades will deliver up ALL the dead in them after the Gog-Magog rebellion.

You cannot expect that everyone will believe you when you imply (by the above statements and the statement below) that that Satan and the beast are cast into the lake of fire at the same time - when the Revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ states otherwise.
(3) The "New Heavens/Earth" occurs at the coming of Christ -- i.e., the "thief's coming," the "day of the Lord" (2 Pet 3:10/1 Thess 5:2)
Again, not according to the prophetic scriptures of the Old and the New Testaments.

The rest of your post is merely opinion based on opinion based on an aspect of Church theology which contradicts scripture.
 
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The second thing we should take note of, is that Revelation chapter 20 verses 1-3 clearly speaks of Satan being bound and locked up in the bottomless pit:

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Question:
When is Satan "loosened" from the Bottomless Pit?


Answer:
At the 1st Woe (fifth Trumpet), the BEGINNING of the
Revelation Beast and the start of the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1-13]


The Saints "live and reign with Christ" during the A-Millennial
Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 13, in 8 verses] while
all the lost sheep are saved.


Satan is "loosened" to RULE during the Revelation Beast
aka Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" after the testimony
of the "two witnesses" (church)* is finished [Rev 11:7] and
after the last saints have been saved/"sealed" [Rev 7:1-3]
and after the Holy Spirit has been "taken out of the way"
[2 Thess 2:6-9]


Satan's chief emissary on earth, the "Little Horn" or
"False Prophet" RULES for a period shown as
3.5 "times" and 3.5 "days" and 3.5 years (42 mos)
and 3.5 "watches of the night".**


And all of this information remained "sealed" until the
Last Saints ["wise virgins"] reveal it during the "time-of-the-end"
[Dan 12:8-10] or "Season and Time" [Dan 7:11-12]. Which
PROVES all "interpretations" before the "wise virgins" prophecy
were WRONG because they were developed while the Bible
PROMISED the Truth would remain "sealed".***


* two candlesticks and two olive trees = the church


** Jesus called the Great Trib the "night" when no man can work
(because all the saints are sealed and the Holy Spirit is "taken")
Jesus even NAMED each of these "watches of the night".


*** The Last Saints ["wise virgins"] reveal the truth about
Daniel's prophecies [Dan 12:8-10] and Great Tribulation
prophecies [Mat 24:15 and 24:33] as the Seventh Trumpet
"begins to sound" [Rev 10:7-11]... nothing happens AFTER
the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound" except Rev 11:15-19


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The first thing we should take note of is that the New Testament was first written in ancient Greek; and in the Greek, χιλιάς chiliás = a thousand (one thousand); and every time the word "thousand" appears in Revelation chapter 20, it's a translation of the Greek word χιλιάς [ chiliás ].

A thousand (one-thousand): χιλιάς chiliás.

Two-thousands: δισχίλιοι dischílioi (example Mark 5:13).

Three-thousands: τρισχίλιοι trischílioi (example Acts 2:41).

Four-thousands: τετρακισχίλιοι tetrakischílioi (example Matthew 15:38).

Seven-thousands: ἑπτακισχίλιοι heptakischílioi (example Romans 11:4).

Five-thousands: πεντακισχίλιοι pentakischílioi (example Matthew 14:21).

Five thousand: (five times a thousand) Five (πέντε pénte) times a thousand (χιλιάς chiliás, one thousand) = pénte chiliás, five thousand (example Acts 4:4).

Ten thousand: (ten times a thousand) Ten (δέκα déka) times a thousand (χιλιάς chiliás, one thousand) = déka chiliás, ten thousand (example Luke 14:31).

Ten-thousands: μύριοι mýrioi (example 1 Corinthians 4:15).

Twelve thousand: (twelve times a thousand) Twelve (δώδεκα dṓdeka) times a thousand (χιλιάς chiliás, one thousand) = dṓdeka chiliás, twelve thousand (example Revelation 7:5).

Twenty thousand: Twenty (εἴκοσι eíkosi) times a thousand ((χιλιάς chiliás, one thousand) = eíkosi chiliás, twenty thousand (example Luke 14:31).

Fifty thousand: Five (πέντε pénte) times ten-thousands (μυριάς myriás) = pénte myriás, fifty ten-thousands (example Acts 19:19).

Thousands: μυριάς myriás (example Acts 21:20). It's also used for ten-thousands, and for an innumerable number, for example:

Revelation 5:11
"And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten-thousands (μυριάς myriás) times ten-thousands (μυριάς myriás), and a thousand (χιλιάς chiliás) times a thousand (χιλιάς chiliás)".

Every time the word "thousand" appears in Revelation chapter 20, it's a translation of the Greek word χιλιάς [ chiliás ] - one thousand only.

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The second thing we should take note of, is that Revelation chapter 20 verses 1-3 clearly speaks of Satan being bound and locked up in the bottomless pit:

"And I saw an angel come down from Heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him a thousand (χιλιάς chiliás) years. And he cast him into the abyss and shut him up and set a seal on him, that he should deceive the nations no more until the thousand years should be fulfilled. And after that he must be loosed a little time."

Yet in his letter to the Christians in Corinth, Paul states, "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (2 Corinthians 4:3-4).

So is Satan bound (or partially bound, or restricted) right now, and has he been over these last 2,000 years?

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In order to answer this question, the third thing we should take note of, is that Revelation chapter 12 speaks of Satan's ability to accuse the brethren before God having been completely destroyed; and we know this is by the cross of Christ because we are told that "they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony. And they did not love their soul to the death." (Revelation 12:11).

Therefore Satan, the accuser, had no legal right to appear in the court room anymore.

Immediately after this we are told that the devil has been cast out of heaven, and has come down to the earth and the sea "having great wrath, knowing that he has but a little time." (Revelation 20:12). We are then told about Satan going to war against "the woman" who had given birth to the Messiah, and then against "the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." (Revelation 12:13-17), which of course, refers to Satan's war against the churches of Christ.

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The fourth thing we should take note of, is that both Jesus and His apostles taught, by implication of the things they said to the churches, that Satan is very active in the world:-

In Revelation 2:12 Jesus tells the church at Pergamos, "I know your works, and where you live, even where Satan's seat is. And you hold fast My name and have not denied My faith, even in those days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwells."

In Revelation 2:9-10 Jesus tells the church in Smyrna, "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.".

In his letter to the Christians in Corinth, Paul states, "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (2 Corinthians 4:3-4).

In Ephesians 6:11-12 Paul tells the Christians in Ephesus to "put on the whole armour of God, for your being able to stand against the wiles of the devil", and then continues to say, "because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh, but with the principalities, with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, with the spiritual things of the evil in the heavenly places".

In Acts 26:17-18, we read of Jesus telling Paul that He was sending Paul to the Gentiles ""To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me."

In Acts 5:3 we read that Peter said to a man named Ananias, "why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?"

In Romans 16:20, Paul tells the church in Rome that "And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly."

In 1 Corinthians 5:5 Paul tells the church in Corinth to deliver the person who had sinned grievously unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."

In 1 Corinthians 7:5 Paul says to the married couples in the same church, "Do not deprive one another, unless it is with consent for a time, so that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer. And come together again so that Satan does not tempt you for your incontinence."

In 2 Corinthians 2:11 Paul tells the same church to forgive the person who sinned "Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices."

In 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 Paul refers to teachers of false doctrines who sought to beguile Christians as "false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ", and then goes on to say, "Did not even Satan marvelously transform himself into an angel of light? Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves as ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works." (2 Cor 11:14-15).

So Paul was calling the teachers of false doctrine "ministers (servants) of Satan".

In 1 Thessalonians 2:18 Paul tells the Christians in Thessaloniki that he had and those who accompanied him on his journeys tried to come to them, "but Satan hindered us."

In 1 Timothy 5:15 Paul says that some Christians "have already turned aside after Satan."

In 1 Timothy 3:6-7 Paul says that anyone desiring the office of a Bishop should "not a novice, lest being puffed up he may fall into the condemnation of the Devil; and it behoveth him also to have a good testimony from those without, that he may not fall into reproach and a snare of the devil."

James tells Christians, "Therefore submit yourselves to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." (James 4:7).

Peter tells Christians to "Be sensible and vigilant, because your adversary the Devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking someone he may devour; whom firmly resist in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions in the world are being completed in your brotherhood." (1 Peter 5:8-9).

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Over and over again, the activities of Satan in the world, whom Paul calls "the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not," is referred to in the New Testament, and Christians are warned and exhorted to be aware of this, and of the wiles of Satan, and to resist him.

In stark contrast to this, not once - not ever - does the New Testament outside of Revelation chapter 20 speak of Satan being bound, nor "partially bound" by having his activities in the earth restricted (any more than his activities in the world have always been restricted to an extent by God, from the time of the fall of Adam onward, throughout the Bible, where many times we read of cases where the activities of Satan in the world were restricted).


Therefore in my opinion, the only Biblical conclusion we can come to regarding the one thousand year period written about in Revelation chapter 20, is that this period has not yet come.

In my opinion, this should not be surprising to any Christian who reads the book of Revelation and learns from the Revelation that at the time the Revelation was penned, "the beast" (which the Revelation states will ascend from the abyss and be defeated by Christ at the time of His return, and then be destroyed by Christ in "the lake of fire burning with brimstone") "was" (existed at one time), "is not" (does not exist anymore), "and will ascend out of the abyss, and go to perdition".

The Revelation teaches that Satan will likewise be destroyed in the lake of fire after a thousand years - where the beast and and its false prophet (already) are.

In my opinion any eschatology ("end-times theology) presented by any church which teaches that Satan is (already) currently bound in some manner, is therefore patently false, and is probably based on a theological castle of sand built on the sea's side of the high tide mark.
I was thinking, if the 1000 years is figurative, then each day of that thousand years would be a thousand years to us.

So according to the amillennial doctrine, it would mean this age (the figurative millennium) won't be ending any time soon.

However, if this is a future age - then it would indeed be interesting that an age that long would exist.
 
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Satan is not cast into the lake of fire at the same time as the beast and its false prophet, according to scripture (but some don't regard Revelation 20 as scripture). If death and hades deliver up ALL the dead in them and Satan is cast into the lake of fire, but the beast and false prophet are already there, then there is a gap (if we believe scripture and not theology).

Let's assume what Amil assumes about Revelation 19 and Revelation 20:7-10, that these are referring to the same events, is correct. That would indicate that John must think the reader is pretty absent minded, so he felt the need to remind the reader, that in Revelation 20:10, satan gets cast into the same place the beast and fp got cast into moments earlier, or at least within that same 24 hour period.

But instead, we see John telling us that satan is cast into the pit a thousand years. Why would we need to know that after he has already been cast into the LOF, assuming Amil? Once satan has been cast into the LOF, anything involving this thousand years would have zero relevance at that point.

Here's something else to consider, assuming Revelation 20:7-10 is paralleling the end of ch. 19.

and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them(Revelation 20:9). Who could possibly survive that and live to tell about it? Apparently the beast and fp, assuming Amil.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Does this look like they were devoured by fire from God out of heaven? Does not the text state this---And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet---and this---These both were cast alive---thus why I asked, who could possibly survive that and live to tell about it. The fact the beast and fp are first captured, then cast while still alive into the LOF, and if assuming Amil, this same beast and fp would have to be among those surrounding the saints, thus they would have been devoured by this fire as well. So why weren't they, then?
 
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It’s odd to me how there is literally 0 mention of a 1,000 year millennial kingdom mentioned anywhere in the Scriptures except Revelation 20, which is in a book of visions, full of symbols and non-literal writings. For example, Christ doesn’t have a sword in his throat, and he’s not literally writing God’s name on our foreheads.

Christ and the Apostles taught the resurrection of the righteous and wicked at his return, which is the end of the current age, called the Last Day by Christ himself.

The so-called Millenial reign contradicts what Christ & the apostles taught regarding his return. he’s only destroying the wicked 1 time.

When he returns, that’s it! The parable of the 10 virgins shows that when he comes back, there’s no more chances to get in to the kingdom.
 
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Paul states that there are different resurrections: Christ, the first-fruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. Following this He will hand the kingdom back to God the Father. Revelation 20 clearly states that death and hades will deliver up ALL the souls in them. Paul says those who are in Christ will be delivered up from death when Christ returns.

So you subscribe to the Catholic doctrine of Purgatory then?
You must, for the Hades of 1 Cor 15:55-56 does not become part of Hell until Revelation 20:12-15! For you, this means Hades ("Sheol" in hebrew and "Purgatorio" in Latin) is still in existence exactly as the Catholic Church teaches.

The Bible itself proves there is a literal, FUTURE, thousand-year reign of Christ on earth, when the prophetic books are all studied and all statements considered.
Pure opinion and speculation with zero scriptural support.

For those who believe the scriptures however, we know there is no future literal earthly 1000 year epoch.
 
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I was thinking, if the 1000 years is figurative, then each day of that thousand years would be a thousand years to us. So according to the amillennial doctrine, it would mean this age (the figurative millennium) won't be ending any time soon. However, if this is a future age - then it would indeed be interesting that an age that long would exist.



According to the A-Millennial doctrine (as I understand it)
it is a spiritual 1000 years that represents the time from the Cross
to the time when the "testimony" of the saints is finished [Rev 11:7]
and the LAST saint is saved/sealed [Rev 7:1-3] and the Holy Spirit is
"taken out of the way" [2Thess 2:6-9] so that Satan can be "loosened"
for his "Little Season" [Rev 20:3] which represents both the Revelation Beast
and the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1-13] which BEGINS
when the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 13 in 8 verses] is FINISHED


Satan's "binding" represents a restraint* so he could not prevent all the sheep
from being saved... this is when the saints "live and rule with Christ" and this END
when the Holy Spirit (which "restrains") is "taken out of the way" so Satan
can RULE during the Revelation Beast/Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".


This is when the LAST "wheat and tares", called "ten virgins" [Mat 25:1-13]
follow the Antichrist into the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven". This event
is also shown as the "ten kings" and "ten horns" (called "the saints") are RULED
by the "Little Horn" (Antichrist) [Dan 7:24-25] and when the "ten horns" and
ten "kings" all "agree to give their KINGDOM to the [Revelation] Beast"
[Rev 17:12-17]


BTW... the Bible PROMISED the Last Saints "shall understand" these things
[Dan 12:8-10] and Jesus PROMISED the Last Saints "shall see ALL these things"
[Mat 24:15 and 24:33] and God PROMISED the Last Saints shall PREACH these things
as the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound" [Rev 10:7-11]


* There are no LITERAL chains holding Satan... it is a CONDITION of restraint.
There is no LITERAL Bottomless Pit... it is a CONDITION of restraint

Make no mistake, the Revelation Beast/Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" BEGINS when the restraints
are removed and the Holy Spirit is "taken out
of the way
".


There is no one day = 1000 years in THIS PROPHECY...
you are intentionally mixing passages that do not relate.
You have no biblical authority to do that with Satan's binding.


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According to the A-Millennial doctrine (as I understand it)
it is a spiritual 1000 years that represents the time from the Cross
to the time when the "testimony" of the saints is finished [Rev 11:7]
and the LAST saint is saved/sealed [Rev 7:1-3] and the Holy Spirit is
"taken out of the way" [2Thess 2:6-9] so that Satan can be "loosened"
for his "Little Season" [Rev 20:3] which represents both the Revelation Beast
and the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1-13] which BEGINS
when the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 13 in 8 verses] is FINISHED


Satan's "binding" represents a restraint* so he could not prevent all the sheep
from being saved... this is when the saints "live and rule with Christ" and this END
when the Holy Spirit (which "restrains") is "taken out of the way" so Satan
can RULE during the Revelation Beast/Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".


This is when the LAST "wheat and tares", called "ten virgins" [Mat 25:1-13]
follow the Antichrist into the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven". This event
is also shown as the "ten kings" and "ten horns" (called "the saints") are RULED
by the "Little Horn" (Antichrist) [Dan 7:24-25] and when the "ten horns" and
ten "kings" all "agree to give their KINGDOM to the [Revelation] Beast"
[Rev 17:12-17]


BTW... the Bible PROMISED the Last Saints "shall understand" these things
[Dan 12:8-10] and Jesus PROMISED the Last Saints "shall see ALL these things"
[Mat 24:15 and 24:33] and God PROMISED the Last Saints shall PREACH these things
as the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound" [Rev 10:7-11]


* There are no LITERAL chains holding Satan... it is a CONDITION of restraint.
There is no LITERAL Bottomless Pit... it is a CONDITION of restraint

Make no mistake, the Revelation Beast/Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" BEGINS when the restraints
are removed and the Holy Spirit is "taken out
of the way
".


There is no one day = 1000 years in THIS PROPHECY...
you are intentionally mixing passages that do not relate.
You have no biblical authority to do that with Satan's binding.


.
I'm just having fun since the scripture says we cannot know these things.

Thanks for the feedback.
 
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Christ and the Apostles taught the resurrection of the righteous and wicked at his return, which is the end of the current age, called the Last Day by Christ himself.

The so-called Millenial reign contradicts what Christ & the apostles taught regarding his return. he’s only destroying the wicked 1 time.

When he returns, that’s it! The parable of the 10 virgins shows that when he comes back, there’s no more chances to get in to the kingdom.


The parable of the ten virgins is also a PROPHECY of the Last "wheat and tares"
in the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1-13] which BEGINS when
the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 13 in 8 verses) ENDS as the "testimony"
of the church is "finished" [Rev 11:7] and the last saint is saved/sealed [Rev 7:1-3]
and the Holy Spirit is "taken out of the way" [2Thess 2:6-9] so that Satan can be
"loosened" for His "Little Season" [Rev 20:3] which is also called the Revelation Beast
or the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"


Notice the TEN VIRGINS "went forth" (from the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven")
into the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".... just as the last Jewish saints
"went forth" from the Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 22:2] into the Christian
"Kingdom of Heaven"... as the "Kingdom of God" was TAKEN from the Jews
and GIVEN to the Christians - shown in Mat 21:43


The "ten virgins" of Mat 25:1-13 cannot be church age "wheat and tares" because
of verses 8-9 (the church never refuses to preach the Gospel and sends people to
some other unnamed group for salvation - but that does happen in the Great Tribulation)


These "ten virgins" are also shown as the ten "kings/horns" (called "the saints")
ruled by the "Little Horn" (Antichrist) in Dan 7:24-25


And they are called the ten "kings/horns" who "agree to give their KINGDOM to the Beast"
(Revelation Beast) in Rev 17:12-17


The Millennial Kingdom represents the church age. Satan was "bound" at the Cross
(in the sense he was restrained from stopping the salvation of ALL the lost sheep)
and Satan is "loosened" at the START of The Revelation Beast/Great Tribulation
(1st Woe and fifth Trumpet of Rev 9:1-2)


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These "ten virgins" are also shown as the ten "kings/horns" (called "the saints")
ruled by the "Little Horn" (Antichrist) in Dan 7:24-25

That is absolutely bizarre
 
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I'm just having fun since the scripture says we cannot know these things.

Thanks for the feedback.


The Scripture PROMISES the Last Saints "shall understand" [Dan 12:8-10]
and Jesus PROMISES the Last Saints "shall see all these things" [Mat 24:15.33]
And God PROMISES the Last Saints preach these mysteries [Rev 10:7-11]

Do you REALLY think the Last Saints will not know the NAME of the Antichrist?

Do you REALLY think Daniel 12:8-10 is not true?
Do you REALLY think Mat 24:33 is not true?

You are correct, the Bible says these things cannot be know UNTIL
the Last Saints (called the "wise virgins") reveal them.

So it is not a matter of IF they will be revealed (not if you believe the Bible)
it is only a matter of WHEN they will be revealed. And this is the time.
Unless you just do not believe what the Bible PROMISES?

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That is absolutely bizarre


Yes, no doubt the testimony of the Last Saints is "bizarre"
But the Bible PROMISES it happens [Dan 12:8-10]
And Jesus PROMISES it happens [Mat 24:15,33]

And you (or nobody on earth) can refute a single word of it...
I challenge you to try.

So, you are right, it is "bizarre" (but true)
Although Daniel 12:8-10 says NONE of the wicked can understand
So there is that.


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So, you are right, it is "bizarre" (but true)
Although Daniel 12:8-10 says NONE of the wicked can understand
So there is that

Right, so you're not only calling me wicked, you are also calling all 10 of the virgins wicked.

Does anyone else see something wrong with that "interpretation"?
 
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The parable of the ten virgins is also a PROPHECY of the Last "wheat and tares"
in the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1-13] which BEGINS when
the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 13 in 8 verses) ENDS as the "testimony"
of the church is "finished" [Rev 11:7] and the last saint is saved/sealed [Rev 7:1-3]
and the Holy Spirit is "taken out of the way" [2Thess 2:6-9] so that Satan can be
"loosened" for His "Little Season" [Rev 20:3] which is also called the Revelation Beast
or the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"


Notice the TEN VIRGINS "went forth" (from the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven")
into the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".... just as the last Jewish saints
"went forth" from the Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 22:2] into the Christian
"Kingdom of Heaven"... as the "Kingdom of God" was TAKEN from the Jews
and GIVEN to the Christians - shown in Mat 21:43


The "ten virgins" of Mat 25:1-13 cannot be church age "wheat and tares" because
of verses 8-9 (the church never refuses to preach the Gospel and sends people to
some other unnamed group for salvation - but that does happen in the Great Tribulation)


These "ten virgins" are also shown as the ten "kings/horns" (called "the saints")
ruled by the "Little Horn" (Antichrist) in Dan 7:24-25


And they are called the ten "kings/horns" who "agree to give their KINGDOM to the Beast"
(Revelation Beast) in Rev 17:12-17


The Millennial Kingdom represents the church age. Satan was "bound" at the Cross
(in the sense he was restrained from stopping the salvation of ALL the lost sheep)
and Satan is "loosened" at the START of The Revelation Beast/Great Tribulation
(1st Woe and fifth Trumpet of Rev 9:1-2)


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Contextually, the parable of the 10 virgins is regarding the importance of being ready when Messiah returns.

The parable of the wheat and the tares is about the judgement of the righteous and the wicked, and it's compared to growing and harvesting wheat - nothing more.

I am somewhere between an Amillenialist and a Postmillenialist.
 
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The Millennial Kingdom represents the church age. Satan was "bound" at the Cross
(in the sense he was restrained from stopping the salvation of ALL the lost sheep)
and Satan is "loosened" at the START of The Revelation Beast/Great Tribulation
(1st Woe and fifth Trumpet of Rev 9:1-2)

No, Satan is still deceiving the nations to thos day.
 
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Fullness of the Gentiles said:
Satan is not cast into the lake of fire at the same time as the beast and its false prophet, according to scripture


That is correct... compare Rev 19:20 and Rev 20:10
But here is a more amazing Biblical fact...

Daniel 7:11-12 is the SAME EVENT as Rev 19:20
The Fourth Beast "given to the Burning Flame"
is the SAME EVENT as the Revelation Beast
being "cast alive into the Lake of Fire"

More interesting STILL...
There is a "Season and Time" on earth BEFORE
Satan's "Kingdoms of Man" JOIN THE BEAST in the Lake in Rev 20:10


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