Is the fundamental gap between creationists and non-creationists...

[AV1611VET]

... so here I am, with tea.

Nice!

 

[Bradskii]

Having descended into a bit of a circus, the thread needs some focus.

... so here I am, with tea.

Looks like Mosquito City to me...

 

[Mr Laurier]

Looks like Mosquito City to me...

not for another month.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

not for another month.

Yes, first the geese and then the bugs, but I am a few weeks later, still worth going out to visit.

 

[Astrid]

Yes, first the geese and then the bugs, but I am a few weeks later, still worth going out to visit.

Have you been in the arctic in summer?

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

Have you been in the arctic in summer?

Unfortunately no, but I have been in the high Sierras for a hatching. Re Dan, I am 175 KM south of the other side of his lake.

 

[Ace777]

Imbedded [sic] Evolution is Omphalism.

Imbedded age makes no sense. 99% of all life is now extinct. God gives us fossils to study. But there is also the ancient remains of people like Ice man. We can study them even look in their tummy to see what they had for lunch. If they have lower body strength they were a hunter gather. If they have upper body strength they were farmers. WE can check their DNA to see what living relatives they have today.

scientists found at least 19 living relatives of Ötzi the Iceman in 2013. The researchers, from the Institute of Legal Medicine at Innsbruck Medical University, analyzed the DNA of 3,700 Austrian blood donors and found 19 men who shared the same Y-chromosome mutation as Ötzi, known as G-L91.

 

[Ace777]

how much did that dress cost?'

How much did Flip Wilson pay for his dress?

 

[AV1611VET]

Imbedded age makes no sense.

Chess makes no sense to those who are taught to believe everything moves like checkers.

99% of all life is now extinct.

Okay.

God gives us fossils to study.

Okay.

But there is also the ancient remains of people like Ice man.

Okay.

We can study them even look in their tummy to see what they had for lunch.

Okay.

If they have lower body strength they were a hunter gather. If they have upper body strength they were farmers.

Okay.

Genesis 4:2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

WE can check their DNA to see what living relatives they have today.

Okay.

scientists found at least 19 living relatives of Ötzi the Iceman in 2013.

Neat.

The researchers, from the Institute of Legal Medicine at Innsbruck Medical University, analyzed the DNA of 3,700 Austrian blood donors and found 19 men who shared the same Y-chromosome mutation as Ötzi, known as G-L91.

Neat.

What's your point?

 

[Ophiolite]

Neat.

What's your point?

When scientists take a hike through the mountain of evidence in the rocks and in the biosphere and in the stars they find that the universe and the Earth and life are very much older than your empty assertions of based on your contrived beliefs.

 

[AV1611VET]

When scientists take a hike through the mountain of evidence in the rocks and in the biosphere and in the stars they find that the universe and the Earth and life are very much older than your empty assertions of based on your contrived beliefs.

Really?

So when a scientist looks at a rock and says it is 40,000 years old, how old do I say it is?

If you knew the answer to this question, you wouldn't have said what you said.

 

[Ace777]

When scientists take a hike through the mountain of evidence in the rocks and in the biosphere and in the stars they find that the universe and the Earth and life are very much older than your empty assertions of based on your contrived beliefs.

Science does not rely on their senses. For example there is a lot of light in the light spectrum.
So we need a spectrograph to be able to see all that is there.

We all know that the 24 hours days in Genesis one is a very small part of what God has done and is doing.

 

[Ophiolite]

Science does not rely on their senses. For example there is a lot of light in the light spectrum.
So we need a spectrograph to be able to see all that is there.

We all know that the 24 hours days in Genesis one is a very small part of what God has done and is doing.

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Pedantic Intervention in two parts:

Light forms only a small part of the electromagnetic spectrum. You imply that, for example, x-rays are part of the light spectrum. They are not. Precision of language is important in science and in discussion of science.

We do not "all know" that your interpretation of Genesis is true. There are, perhaps, as many different interpretation as there are minutes in a 24 hour day. Absolute statements are fine as colloquialisms, to provide emphasis. They are generally out of place in serious discussion. (Obviously, if you did not intend serious discussion I will withdraw this objection.)

 

[AV1611VET]

Light forms only a small part of the electromagnetic spectrum. You imply that, for example, x-rays are part of the light spectrum. They are not. Precision of language is important in science and in discussion of science.

QV please:

X-rays are a type of light.

SOURCE

 

[Ace777]

You imply that, for example, x-rays are part of the light spectrum. They are not

X-rays are a type of electromagnetic radiation (EMR) and are part of the electromagnetic spectrum, along with visible light, infrared radiation, and ultraviolet radiation. EMR is made up of coupled waves of electric and magnetic fields that travel at the speed of light. X-rays have similar physical properties to other types of EMR, but with much higher energy and shorter wavelengths. X-rays have wavelengths ranging from 0.01 nanometers to 10 nanometers, and frequencies ranging from 30 petahertz to 30 exahertz.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Science does not rely on their senses. For example there is a lot of light in the light spectrum.
So we need a spectrograph to be able to see all that is there.

Of course we do. Even when the data is collected electronically we still must process it with our senses.

Aslo, @Ophiolite didn't say anything about seeing with eyes, but rather hiking through the data, an obvious metaphor.

 

[Ophiolite]

X-rays are a type of electromagnetic radiation (EMR) and are part of the electromagnetic spectrum, along with visible light, infrared radiation, and ultraviolet radiation. EMR is made up of coupled waves of electric and magnetic fields that travel at the speed of light. X-rays have similar physical properties to other types of EMR, but with much higher energy and shorter wavelengths. X-rays have wavelengths ranging from 0.01 nanometers to 10 nanometers, and frequencies ranging from 30 petahertz to 30 exahertz.

Why are you repeating, in detail, what I already said? The detail is not relevant to my correction of your misnaming of the electromagnetic spectrum as the light spectrum. You made a small error. I made a small correction. An acknowledgement would have been nice, an irrelevance - not so much.

 

[Astrid]

Of course we do. Even when the data is collected electronically we still must process it with our senses.

Aslo, @Ophiolite didn't say anything about seeing with eyes, but rather hiking through the data, an obvious metaphor.

"Obvious" and "oblivious" are seen alike

 

[Astrid]

Pedantic Intervention in two parts:

Light forms only a small part of the electromagnetic spectrum. You imply that, for example, x-rays are part of the light spectrum. They are not. Precision of language is important in science and in discussion of science.

We do not "all know" that your interpretation of Genesis is true. There are, perhaps, as many different interpretation as there are minutes in a 24 hour day. Absolute statements are fine as colloquialisms, to provide emphasis. They are generally out of place in serious discussion. (Obviously, if you did not intend serious discussion I will withdraw this objection.)

Super pedantic: we note that each day is longer than the one before.

 

[Astrid]

... a disagreement over basic reality?

I find a lot of discussions with creationists seem to be boil down to disagreement over the nature of reality. And I'm not sure that there is a way to bridge such disagreement.

No Id say it’s the diff between the earnest pursuit of intellectual
integrity, and not even knowing what it is.