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Is the fundamental gap between creationists and non-creationists...

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So man evolved over periods of millions of years. But his eyes were...what? Fitted one Tuesday afternoon? What were animals using as they developed, changed, speciated?

How can an organism evolve over time and but have certain aspects of their physical make-up suddenly appear. Be 'created' in effect. Have you thought this through?

No such thing as an educated creationist who has thought it through.
 
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Then you need to be very specific about what you determine to be a natural process (instigated by God) and one that can be classed as creation. Tell me exactly what you mean so there's no confusion.
I already did. It's all created.
It's just more obvious to US that some have to have been designed.
What is hard to understand about that?
 
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I already did. It's all created.
It's just more obvious to US that some have to have been designed.
What is hard to understand about that?
it's real easy to understand and recognize a baseless opinion.
 
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it's real easy to understand and recognize a baseless opinion.
And it's easy to recognize the person who has nothing but insults.
I think you are afraid God might be real.
It's a terrifying idea to lots of people. It means they don't control everything.
 
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In fact, I might try to copy the human eye and manage to create a camera. I might copy my joints and use the knowledge gained to create a machine. Obviously, I'm copying the work of a superior intellect. We all know this. Scientists use terms that suggest design all the time, they just claim something evolved to do this function, which in itself suggests intentionality that a natural function can't possess. It's like they dance around the obvious conclusion.

None of this tells us what you consider to be a natural event versus a creation event. Apart from 'gee, this is complicated and I can't see how it could happen naturally'.

You imply that 'joints' have been created as well as eyes. Maybe you could give us an example of what you consider to be entirely natural? Which would not exlude God in any way.
 
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None of this tells us what you consider to be a natural event versus a creation event. Apart from 'gee, this is complicated and I can't see how it could happen naturally'.

You imply that 'joints' have been created as well as eyes. Maybe you could give us an example of what you consider to be entirely natural? Which would not exlude God in any way.
There is nothing that exists that doesn't have God's fingerprints on it.
Some are just more obvious to us.
 
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I already did. It's all created.
It's just more obvious to US that some have to have been designed.
What is hard to understand about that?

You're still not explaining the difference between a designed object and - what else can I call it - a naturally occuring one. Apart from the 'gee, it certainly looks designed'.

Can you give me an example of some aspect of a living organism that hasn't been designed? There must be a lot because only 'some have to have been designed'.
 
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There is nothing that exists that doesn't have God's fingerprints on it.
Some are just more obvious to us.
Nobody is arguing that. I just want you to.differentiate between the natural and designed. As I asked earlier, give me an example of a natural aspect of a living.organism.
 
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So man evolved over periods of millions of years. But his eyes were...what? Fitted one Tuesday afternoon? What were animals using as they developed, changed, speciated?

How can an organism evolve over time and but have certain aspects of their physical make-up suddenly appear. Be 'created' in effect. Have you thought this through?

Humans inherited eyes from pre-human ancestors.
 
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Humans inherited eyes from pre-human ancestors.
Well, I enjoy kicking cans down the road as much as anyone else. But it doesn't get us any closer to an answer.
 
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And it's easy to recognize the person who has nothing but insults.
I think you are afraid God might be real.
It's a terrifying idea to lots of people. It means they don't control everything.

No telling what a creationist might think.
Now show some class, cease the made- up personal remarks.
 
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Well, I enjoy kicking cans down the road as much as anyone else. But it doesn't get us any closer to an answer.

How is that kicking the can? All of evolutionary theory is
just can - kicking?
 
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