Is the fundamental gap between creationists and non-creationists...

[Speedwell]

I’m not arguing that the Bible is a science book. I was just pointing out that The History of Science is usually more about the general advancements in science and the people who were involved (in that context Bill Gates’ diary might be relevant to the story of the advancement of computers). On that note, I think the Bible has related contributions to science. I know that Leviticus has some far-out things, but Moses (and he gave the credit to God, how would he have known anyway) was right up there with Dr. Fauci and the CDC on quarantining, sanitation, keeping your distance and cleanliness (the washing your hands in running water and everything) regarding the spread of disease. On the other hand, History likes to tell us that scientists and doctors figured all that out by the mid-nineteenth century.

Only true of Western Europe, where medical science remained brutal and ignorant relatively late. The Bible only records the beliefs and practices of its time.

 

[Larniavc]

An atom certainly is.

I was asking about an electron. Is it designed by your definition?

 

[inquiring mind]

Only true of Western Europe, where medical science remained brutal and ignorant relatively late. The Bible only records the beliefs and practices of its time.

All I’m saying, is don’t discount the Bible when it comes to science, or anything else.

Matthew Maury didn’t... it inspired his work on ocean currents:

“He was nicknamed "Pathfinder of the Seas" and "Father of Modern Oceanography and Naval Meteorology" and later, "Scientist of the Seas" for his extensive works in his books, especially The Physical Geography of the Sea (1855), the first such extensive and comprehensive book on oceanography to be published. Maury made many important new contributions to charting winds and ocean currents, including ocean lanes for passing ships at sea.” Wikipedia

“Maury's seagoing days came to an abrupt end at the age of 33, after a stagecoach accident broke his right leg. Thereafter, he devoted his time to the study of naval meteorology, navigation, charting the winds and currents,seeking the "Paths of the Seas" mentioned in Psalms 8:8 as: "The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas." Maury had known of the Psalms of David since childhood. In A Life of Matthew Fontaine Maury (compiled by his daughter, Diana Fontaine Maury Corbin, 1888), she states:

Matthew's father was very exact in the religious training of his family, now numbering five sons and four daughters, viz., John Minor, Mary, Walker, Matilda, Betsy, Richard Launcelot, Matthew Fontaine, Catherine, and Charles. He would assemble them night and morning to read the Psalter for the day, verse and verse about; and in this way, so familiar did this barefooted boy [M. F. Maury] become with the Psalms of David, that in after life he could cite a quotation, and give chapter and verse, as if he had the Bible open before him. His Bible is depicted on his monument beside his left leg. (See enlarged image on this page)[2] “ Wikipedia

 

[Speedwell]

All I’m saying, is don’t discount the Bible when it comes to science, or anything else.

Matthew Maury didn’t... it inspired his work on ocean currents:

“He was nicknamed "Pathfinder of the Seas" and "Father of Modern Oceanography and Naval Meteorology" and later, "Scientist of the Seas" for his extensive works in his books, especially The Physical Geography of the Sea (1855), the first such extensive and comprehensive book on oceanography to be published. Maury made many important new contributions to charting winds and ocean currents, including ocean lanes for passing ships at sea.” Wikipedia

“Maury's seagoing days came to an abrupt end at the age of 33, after a stagecoach accident broke his right leg. Thereafter, he devoted his time to the study of naval meteorology, navigation, charting the winds and currents,seeking the "Paths of the Seas" mentioned in Psalms 8:8 as: "The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas." Maury had known of the Psalms of David since childhood. In A Life of Matthew Fontaine Maury (compiled by his daughter, Diana Fontaine Maury Corbin, 1888), she states:

Matthew's father was very exact in the religious training of his family, now numbering five sons and four daughters, viz., John Minor, Mary, Walker, Matilda, Betsy, Richard Launcelot, Matthew Fontaine, Catherine, and Charles. He would assemble them night and morning to read the Psalter for the day, verse and verse about; and in this way, so familiar did this barefooted boy [M. F. Maury] become with the Psalms of David, that in after life he could cite a quotation, and give chapter and verse, as if he had the Bible open before him. His Bible is depicted on his monument beside his left leg. (See enlarged image on this page)[2] “ Wikipedia

So Maury was a devout Christian and an oceanographer. Did he get his technical data from the Bible or from the ocean?

 

[Astrid]

Only true of Western Europe, where medical science remained brutal and ignorant relatively late. The Bible only records the beliefs and practices of its time.

And some weird anti science superstitions.
Which we hope l are parts of the apocrypha that
got inadvertently left behind.

 

[inquiring mind]

So Maury was a devout Christian and an oceanographer. Did he get his technical data from the Bible or from the ocean?

Like I said, the Bible inspired his work. He got his technical data from the ocean, where you would expect to find it.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Like I said, the Bible inspired his work. He got his technical data from the ocean, where you would expect to find it.

Where the Polynesians found it without your god or the Bible.

 

[inquiring mind]

Only true of Western Europe, where medical science remained brutal and ignorant relatively late. The Bible only records the beliefs and practices of its time.

The Idea of Surgeons Washing Their Hands is Only 154 Years Old | Smart News | Smithsonian Magazine
I guess the Smithsonian missed Leviticus too.

 

[Astrid]

Like I said, the Bible inspired his work. He got his technical data from the ocean, where you would expect to find it.

Chapter and verse of this technical data?

 

[inquiring mind]

Chapter and verse of this technical data?

Read my comment again.

 

[Astrid]

Read my comment again.

" paths of the ses", is mighty sketchy and ambiguous for tech data.

 

[renniks]

You dont understand the basics of biology, or even science.

ID is just religion.

A dismissive wave of the hand is all you have?

 

[renniks]

That has been explained to him so many times that at this point it is fair to assume that he remains willfully ignorant.

Actually it's never been explained, certainly not on this thread.

 

[renniks]

Let's use you for as an example. What type of mate would you NOT select?

It doesn't matter. A canine remains a canine. A feline remains a feline, etc.

 

[inquiring mind]

I didn't know " paths of the ses" was technical data.

I said that inspired him. But, I guess it would be technical compared to not knowing they were there.

 

[Bradskii]

Time.

So man evolved over periods of millions of years. But his eyes were...what? Fitted one Tuesday afternoon? What were animals using as they developed, changed, speciated?

How can an organism evolve over time and but have certain aspects of their physical make-up suddenly appear. Be 'created' in effect. Have you thought this through?

 

[Astrid]

A dismissive wave of the hand is all you have?

That's all it has ever earned.
Nobody gets a free place at the table.

 

[renniks]

That's all it has ever earned.
Nobody gets a free place at the table.

What table? The one that designed itself?

 

[inquiring mind]

Where the Polynesians found it without your god or the Bible.

Maybe without the Bible... don't know about without God though.

 

[Bradskii]

You are still making the same false claims. That's not what I said at all.

Then you need to be very specific about what you determine to be a natural process (instigated by God) and one that can be classed as creation. Tell me exactly what you mean so there's no confusion.