Is the Earth Flat?

[Rajni]

Do you believe the Earth is flat?

If the earth were flat, I think cats would have pushed everything off of it at this point.

 

[d taylor]

If the earth were flat, I think cats would have pushed everything off of it at this point.

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Push off where, there is no outer space on a flat earth model.

 

[Hans Blaster]

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Push off where, there is no outer space on a flat earth model.

Then where do you keep the stars?

 

[d taylor]

Then where do you keep the stars?

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They (stars) along with the sun and moon are in the sky (raqia, heaven, dome) above our heads.

 

[prodromos]

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Push off where, there is no outer space on a flat earth model.

There is no "flat earth model". No one has been able to produce one that works.

 

[Hans Blaster]

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They (stars) along with the sun and moon are in the sky (raqia, heaven, dome) above our heads.

Then where are the stars of Orion right now. I cannot see them at night this time of year.

 

[JSRG]

Setting aside questions of science, a major issue with the idea of a Flat Earth is the required cover up.

If the Earth is flat, a whole lot of people are, by the nature of their jobs, in know about it. Obviously all the governments are in on it, but also pilots in the Southern hemisphere, sailors in the Southern hemisphere, people who work with GPS satellites, mapmakers, and the list goes on and on. These aren't high-level people in the CIA or some other such organization, they're regular people. They don't have much reason to keep this cover-up going. Yet, apparently, they all without fail do so.

The usual response I've seen is to claim that they keep it quiet because their jobs would be on the line otherwise. There are two problems with this. First, we've seen various people go public with secret information at the risk of their jobs, in some cases to outright break the law in doing so--see, for example, that recent Discord leaker. His leak didn't just put him in danger of job loss, but of prosecution. But he still did it anyway. There are various whistle blowers who risked their jobs to get out information of some kind of malpractice. So while fear of job loss might work for some people, it clearly doesn't work for all. Yet even if we accept people would be so terrified of job loss they would never reveal the secrets, that would not explain why people who have either moved into another job sector or retired wouldn't do so.

To make a conspiracy work, you need to limit it to a select group of individuals who have strong investment in the conspiracy. A conspiracy that requires telling a bunch of regular people (that is, not people who have been in the CIA or whatever for years and approved for top secret clearance) about it is not a conspiracy that seems like it would last long. Yet this conspiracy has managed to persist for centuries at this point--maybe airplanes are a relatively recent invention but ships were not and the map discrepancies would have been noticed centuries ago by people like sailors.

We run into another, additional problem: Why does this conspiracy exist to begin with? What does anyone gain from fooling people into thinking the Earth is round? Some try to portray it like it's meant to make people doubt the Bible, but people believed in a round Earth even when Christianity was dominant in Europe, so that makes little sense. So we have a big conspiracy that's gone on for centuries... for the lulz? "For the lulz" is the sort of thing that could explain why a few random people decide to start putting up false information online, but is rather difficult to sustain for centuries in a row.

Thus we have a massive conspiracy involving lots of regular people who have no particularly strong incentive to keep the conspiracy going (certainly not enough to keep quiet about it their entire lives), and there seems little reason for this conspiracy to begin with. The utter implausibility of the conspiracy seems enough to sink the idea of a flat Earth before we even get to the scientific considerations.

 

[PIckleRelations]

Setting aside questions of science, a major issue with the idea of a Flat Earth is the required cover up.

If the Earth is flat, a whole lot of people are, by the nature of their jobs, in know about it. Obviously all the governments are in on it, but also pilots in the Southern hemisphere, sailors in the Southern hemisphere, people who work with GPS satellites, mapmakers, and the list goes on and on. These aren't high-level people in the CIA or some other such organization, they're regular people. They don't have much reason to keep this cover-up going. Yet, apparently, they all without fail do so.

The usual response I've seen is to claim that they keep it quiet because their jobs would be on the line otherwise. There are two problems with this. First, we've seen various people go public with secret information at the risk of their jobs, in some cases to outright break the law in doing so--see, for example, that recent Discord leaker. His leak didn't just put him in danger of job loss, but of prosecution. But he still did it anyway. There are various whistle blowers who risked their jobs to get out information of some kind of malpractice. So while fear of job loss might work for some people, it clearly doesn't work for all. Yet even if we accept people would be so terrified of job loss they would never reveal the secrets, that would not explain why people who have either moved into another job sector or retired wouldn't do so.

To make a conspiracy work, you need to limit it to a select group of individuals who have strong investment in the conspiracy. A conspiracy that requires telling a bunch of regular people (that is, not people who have been in the CIA or whatever for years and approved for top secret clearance) about it is not a conspiracy that seems like it would last long. Yet this conspiracy has managed to persist for centuries at this point--maybe airplanes are a relatively recent invention but ships were not and the map discrepancies would have been noticed centuries ago by people like sailors.

We run into another, additional problem: Why does this conspiracy exist to begin with? What does anyone gain from fooling people into thinking the Earth is round? Some try to portray it like it's meant to make people doubt the Bible, but people believed in a round Earth even when Christianity was dominant in Europe, so that makes little sense. So we have a big conspiracy that's gone on for centuries... for the lulz? "For the lulz" is the sort of thing that could explain why a few random people decide to start putting up false information online, but is rather difficult to sustain for centuries in a row.

Thus we have a massive conspiracy involving lots of regular people who have no particularly strong incentive to keep the conspiracy going (certainly not enough to keep quiet about it their entire lives), and there seems little reason for this conspiracy to begin with. The utter implausibility of the conspiracy seems enough to sink the idea of a flat Earth before we even get to the scientific considerations.

All you'd need to do is teach people their whole lives the earth is a globe and that anyone with a different opinion is stupid. Then everything is just conformed to the paradigm given. No massive cover-up needed. Sort of how entire generations have been taught we went to the moon, and now they not only believe the lie without question, but also defend it.

A century ago, schools were still teaching a flat earth. A change of educational material resulted in an established lie.

 

[trophy33]

All you'd need to do is teach people their whole lives the earth is a globe and that anyone with a different opinion is stupid. Then everything is just conformed to the paradigm given. No massive cover-up needed. Sort of how entire generations have been taught we went to the moon, and now they not only believe the lie without question, but also defend it.

A century ago, schools were still teaching a flat earth. A change of educational material resulted in an established lie.

Do you have any idea how much money and how massive cover up this would take? Its technically impossible. People talk.

We have several astronomical observatories in our country. Are they paid liars, creating fake photos and videos all day long? What are you talking about?

 

[PIckleRelations]

Do you have any idea how much money and how massive cover up this would take? Its technically impossible. People talk.

We have an astronomical observatory in our city, I can literally see the building from my window. Are they paid liars, creating fake photos and videos all day long? What are you talking about?

I'm talking about there's no massive cover-up needed. Everyone just thinks and conforms to the paradigm theyve been taught. It really not that difficult of a concept. People are gullible, especially in groups.

 

[trophy33]

I'm talking about there's no massive cover-up needed. Everyone just thinks and conforms to the paradigm theyve been taught. It really not that difficult of a concept. People are gullible, especially in groups.

So what exactly happens in that observatory when you look through the telescope there?

Describe for me, how it all works. Is the telescope fake with only some prepared pictures in it?

 

[prodromos]

You mean like this video where the sun just fades out as it gets farther away?

To answer your pending questions, no, boats don't go over a curve. No, you wouldn't be able to see Paris from Chicago on a flat earth. And no, cats wouldn't have knocked everything off of the edge by now.

Some very obvious atmospheric refraction happening there. I'm guessing this is the calibre of many of your other 'proofs'.

 

[prodromos]

How Sunsets Work on Flat Earth

In the Flat-Earth model, the Sun and Moon spotlights are perpetually hovering over and parallel to the surface of the Earth. From our vantage point, due to the Law of Perspective, the day/night lumina

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The Law of Perspective states that objects appear smaller as they becme more distant. There is a vast array of photographic evidence showing that the sun does not change in size as it travels across the sky, which demonstrates that the people making the claim you linked to have no idea what they are talking about. The very law they claim as proof of flat earth, utterly debunks their claims.

 

[Rajni]

If the earth were flat, I think cats would have pushed everything off of it at this point.

To clarify, that was a joke. I think it went over a few heads.
Carry on.

 

[d taylor]

Then where are the stars of Orion right now. I cannot see them at night this time of year.

They have moved into the area of the suns light and so when you will be able to see them again. Means that this group of stars has move out of the suns light and can be seen again in the early morning and eventually night sky as they move further away from the suns light.

The sun, moon and stars move above out head in courses given to them by God.

Just like in in summer the sun has moved over the equator closer to the north star so America and all other areas/places on this side of the equator has summer. So after June 21st the sun will began to move back the other way. This has been working this way since God set them in the sky.

 

[d taylor]

Setting aside questions of science, a major issue with the idea of a Flat Earth is the required cover up.

If the Earth is flat, a whole lot of people are, by the nature of their jobs, in know about it. Obviously all the governments are in on it, but also pilots in the Southern hemisphere, sailors in the Southern hemisphere, people who work with GPS satellites, mapmakers, and the list goes on and on. These aren't high-level people in the CIA or some other such organization, they're regular people. They don't have much reason to keep this cover-up going. Yet, apparently, they all without fail do so.

The usual response I've seen is to claim that they keep it quiet because their jobs would be on the line otherwise. There are two problems with this. First, we've seen various people go public with secret information at the risk of their jobs, in some cases to outright break the law in doing so--see, for example, that recent Discord leaker. His leak didn't just put him in danger of job loss, but of prosecution. But he still did it anyway. There are various whistle blowers who risked their jobs to get out information of some kind of malpractice. So while fear of job loss might work for some people, it clearly doesn't work for all. Yet even if we accept people would be so terrified of job loss they would never reveal the secrets, that would not explain why people who have either moved into another job sector or retired wouldn't do so.

To make a conspiracy work, you need to limit it to a select group of individuals who have strong investment in the conspiracy. A conspiracy that requires telling a bunch of regular people (that is, not people who have been in the CIA or whatever for years and approved for top secret clearance) about it is not a conspiracy that seems like it would last long. Yet this conspiracy has managed to persist for centuries at this point--maybe airplanes are a relatively recent invention but ships were not and the map discrepancies would have been noticed centuries ago by people like sailors.

We run into another, additional problem: Why does this conspiracy exist to begin with? What does anyone gain from fooling people into thinking the Earth is round? Some try to portray it like it's meant to make people doubt the Bible, but people believed in a round Earth even when Christianity was dominant in Europe, so that makes little sense. So we have a big conspiracy that's gone on for centuries... for the lulz? "For the lulz" is the sort of thing that could explain why a few random people decide to start putting up false information online, but is rather difficult to sustain for centuries in a row.

Thus we have a massive conspiracy involving lots of regular people who have no particularly strong incentive to keep the conspiracy going (certainly not enough to keep quiet about it their entire lives), and there seems little reason for this conspiracy to begin with. The utter implausibility of the conspiracy seems enough to sink the idea of a flat Earth before we even get to the scientific considerations.

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This is a product of satan using man and taking advantage of man's sinful nature.

 

[d taylor]

There is no "flat earth model". No one has been able to produce one that works.

There is enough information is The Bible to have general idea of God's creation.

 

[prodromos]

There is enough information is The Bible to have general idea of God's creation.

Yet you still cannot produce a model that works with everything we observe

 

[PIckleRelations]

So what exactly happens in that observatory when you look through the telescope there?

Describe for me, how it all works. Is the telescope fake with only some prepared pictures in it?

I've already described it to you. You are taught you are on a ball hurling through open space. That is your paradigm. Everything you see or hear from that point on is only understood by you within that framework because to you, there are no other explanations you will accept. Maybe think it over a bit until you understand.

 

[PIckleRelations]

Some very obvious atmospheric refraction happening there. I'm guessing this is the calibre of many of your other 'proofs'.

I'm not trying to prove anything. Just showing an example of what was stated to never had happened. Believe in your ball all you want.