Is the Earth Flat?

[JohnEmmett]

Nope. All pseudoscience.

I accept that is your understanding

 

[Hans Blaster]

I accept that is your understanding

John. I'm not going to play your little micro-post games. You have never demonstrated any understanding or expertise in science and continually confuse pseudoscience with real science. The "flat Earth" is a bad joke, a relic of the ancient past. I find it hard to think that anyone but grifters and fools would back it or believe it.

 

[JohnEmmett]

You have never demonstrated any understanding or expertise in science

Science is sometimes controversial


I am still not talking about flat earth

 

[JohnEmmett]

Ancient Apocalypse

 

[pgp_protector]

From the Statement of Purpose

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[JohnEmmett]

nonmainstream
adjective
not having, reflecting, or being compatible with the prevailing attitudes and values of a group

 

[JohnEmmett]

Graham Hancock is pseudoscience


But he is right

Then listen, Socrates, to a tale which, though strange, is certainly true, having been attested by Solon, who was the wisest of the seven sages.

 

[JacksBratt]

I also don't agree with some of his views. We are not called to "Cookie cut Christianity" with a plastic smile to agree with everyone. We are to follow Christ. Interestingly, this thread has 31,000 views, yet CF calls it a conspiracy.

I agree... Isn't that what "iron sharpening iron" is all about? Praise God.

Rob was a catalyst and a man of God. He's left us a treasure trove of information. His background as one who once aspired to be an astronaut, military experience, technical skill as a movie producer, and insistence on not just believing him but taking the Berean road were key. I did take his advice and searched scriptures myself and concluded that there is heaven above us, a stationary earth, and an underworld below us... that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. [Phl 2:10-11 NIV]

I must say, the whole topic of FE is one that opens your mind to how much we really don't know for sure. If we totally believe that the bible is the truth... I'd say it is definitely more of a FE book.

 

[Edwin Wright]

Respectfully @Edwin Wright if you have an argument to present, since @prodromoe , myself and most other members have neither the time nor the inclination to view unscientific YouTube videos (also it would clog up our reccommendations), perhaps write it yourself and use screenshots, and cite the video that inspired you.

Because otherwise we could just post responses from various critics of the Flat Earth concept including aviators, astronauts, astronomers, astrophysicists, Christian theologians, and the general public, which I would note we are not doing.

Although I may post a link to Kelsey Hughes’ suggestion to charter a 747 from the airline where he is employed as a pilot, and fly from Buenos Aires to Melbourne, which is a routing that could cause you to fly right over the heart of Antarctica, passing very close to the South Pole.

Here is a video analyzing a photograph taken by Andrew Baillie depicting the Alps as seen from Mount Snowdon (Yr Wyddfa) in the north of Wales:

Mount Snowdon (3,560 feet) is the highest peak in Wales and in the British Isles outside the Scottish Highlands. It is 701 miles from Mont Blanc (15,774 feet). Without tropo[spheric] optical refraction, the top of Mont Blanc in the Alps should be 246,829 feet (46.7 miles) below the horizon. Even with maximum (K = 5/4) tropo[spheric] optical refraction, the top of Mont Blanc would be 188,708 (35.7 miles) below the horizon if the earth were a globe (check Calculation of (Alleged) Earth Curvature with Maximum Tropospheric Optical Refraction).

This is a truly amazing photograph. Obviously, the problem with trying to take such photographs is that the weather almost never cooperates. In this case, there would have been a large high pressure system covering most of Europe (perhaps during the peak summer months).

If there was ever a photograph proving the flat earth, this is it.

 

[Lost4words]

Here is a video analyzing a photograph taken by Andrew Baillie depicting the Alps as seen from Mount Snowdon (Yr Wyddfa) in the north of Wales:

Mount Snowdon (3,560 feet) is the highest peak in Wales and in the British Isles outside the Scottish Highlands. It is 701 miles from Mont Blanc (15,774 feet). Without tropo[spheric] optical refraction, the top of Mont Blanc in the Alps should be 246,829 feet (46.7 miles) below the horizon. Even with maximum (K = 5/4) tropo[spheric] optical refraction, the top of Mont Blanc would be 188,708 (35.7 miles) below the horizon if the earth were a globe (check Calculation of (Alleged) Earth Curvature with Maximum Tropospheric Optical Refraction).

This is a truly amazing photograph. Obviously, the problem with trying to take such photographs is that the weather almost never cooperates. In this case, there would have been a large high pressure system covering most of Europe (perhaps during the peak summer months).

If there was ever a photograph proving the flat earth, this is it.

Photoshopped....deliberate fake.

I been to the top of Snowdon myself on a superbly clear day.....you cant see what that guy has faked.

 

[The Liturgist]

Here is a video analyzing a photograph taken by Andrew Baillie depicting the Alps as seen from Mount Snowdon (Yr Wyddfa) in the north of Wales:

Mount Snowdon (3,560 feet) is the highest peak in Wales and in the British Isles outside the Scottish Highlands. It is 701 miles from Mont Blanc (15,774 feet). Without tropo[spheric] optical refraction, the top of Mont Blanc in the Alps should be 246,829 feet (46.7 miles) below the horizon. Even with maximum (K = 5/4) tropo[spheric] optical refraction, the top of Mont Blanc would be 188,708 (35.7 miles) below the horizon if the earth were a globe (check Calculation of (Alleged) Earth Curvature with Maximum Tropospheric Optical Refraction).

This is a truly amazing photograph.

Indeed, it is literally incredible, in that it is an obvious hoax.

I find it ironic that the accusation that the moon mission and the space program are hoaxes is made by some flat Earthers, while accepting as a real a photograph that is quite obviously fake, and if it actually existed and were not a product of Adobe Photoshop, a tool NASA most assuredly did not have access to (neither did Stanley Kubrick; the idea he faked the lunar landings is particularly laughable given the difference in the appearance of the Earth and the Lunar surface and mechanically impossible space suits in 2001: A Space Odyssey, whose impressive special effects were in development at the same time as the actual space program, but the errors in retrospect greatly annoyed Arthur C. Clarke, for even the stars depicted above the lunar surface, which would not develop in lunar daylight in real life due to the extreme intensity of the solar reflection across the surface of the moon) , aviation across Europe would be geometrically impossible.

Perhaps passengers on airliners are actually anaesthesized and then loaded onto railway carriages? The TGV and ICE high speed trains, and later the Channel Tunnel, became necessary when they ran out of actors to play airline passengers. And the reason why America lacks high speed rail outside of the Northeast is that only New York City, Boston, Washington, Philadelphia, Connecticut, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Baltimore and a tiny slice of Delaware actually exist, and everyone from the South, the West and Canada is a member of one of four great acting companies, one of which consists of Spaniards, another of French Thespians, another which specializes in playing Southerners and is comprised of posh English actors from Oxford and Cambridge, and yet another which plays all the other Americans, and all of the English speaking Canadians, and is comprised of a mix of Irish actors and actors recruited from the few actual cities of North America.

Doubtless my Canadian friends @MarkRohfrietsch and @Andrewn can under pressure confirm that all of Canada is actually a giant soundstage in Belfast, where New Zealand is filmed during the winter months (hence the visual similarity between the Lord of the Rings films and the Game of Thrones miniseries), since of course New Zealand is impossible, as the Kiwis and Maoris alike, if they actually existed, would have to master the impossible art of walking upside down.

Although I suppose that would explain how the Spiderman movies are made. Ah, that explains it, @Carl Emerson is spiderman!

By the way humor aside a blessed Feast of All Saints to my Eastern Orthodox friends including my other Kiwi friend (on this site) @Ignatius the Kiwi and @prodromos and @PsaltiChrysostom and a blessed Feast of St. Barnabus and Corpus Christi Sunday to my Western Christian friends. Today is the 8th Sunday After Easter on the Syriac Orthodox calendar as followed by the Suroye, but the First of the Middle Sundays on that followed by the St. Thomas Christians of India such as our friend @coorilose and today my Coptic friends @dzheremi and @pavelmosko begin the Apostles’ Fast, which in splendid Coptic tradition is longer and more intense than in even the Byzantine Rite, which is still following the joyous hymnal known as the Pentecostarion or Flowery Triodion used from the Feast of the Resurrection until a few days from now, when the Octoechos and Monthly Menaion resume their dominance until Septuagesima rolls around and the hymnal known as the Lenten Triodion takes over, all the way through the Vesperal Divine Liturgy on Holy Saturday. Were it not for the intense variety of the Byzantine, Syriac and Coptic calendars, one could almost call the period where the Triodia and their Oriental Orthodox equivalents (the Coptic Annual Psalmody and Khiakh Psalmody used during the Nativity Fast, known in the West as Advent, the Syriac fanqitho and the Armenian Directory) are not in use “Ordinary Time” but I would argue that the Byzantine Rite lacks a concept of Ordinary Time, an ideal that the Western Liturgy should aspire to. Vestments and paraments can change from gold to red to blue to white, and occasionally to green or in Lent, purple or violet or black, due to specific observances distributed evenly throughout the liturgical year, including the summer months, where in several Western churches an unfortunate lull has been allowed to develop as a result of moving the Feast of the Transfiguration from August 6th to the last Sunday before Lent.

 

[Richard.20.12]

It's just stunning to think we are even talking about this in 2023. It would be stunning to think we would be talking about this in 1923. Or 1823.
Then, to push the absurdity further it's in a Christian forum.

Why would God make the Earth flat and EVERYTHING ELSE round?
Planets are round, major moons of the planets are round. Why would they all be round and yet we're flat? Does that make the slightest bit of sense? God is logical and pragmatic. These are values instilled in us that, if we don't ignore them, will result in us making better decisions in life. It seems that many have lost their way and have ventured into the land of the utterly fanciful.

Then there is the conspiracy, controlling all the people that have gone into space. Remember we have to make sure "they don't talk" because up there they can see the curvature of the Earth. Then there are all the photos from all those missions that show a round Earth. All the missions to the moon that photographed a round Earth. How on earth do you control all those people? There are also unmanned missions that are taking so many photographs and now videos. You have to control each and every one so no flat Earth photo ever gets out.

Flat Earthers should be deemed clinically insane. There is just no other designation for them.

Next? Air is not real. Water is not real. The ground we walk on doesn't actually exist. Why? Because a video told me so. We are, most definitely, getting stupider with each generation.

 

[NxNW]

I'm looking out at the water from the coast of the Gulf Of California as I type this, and the curvature is obvious.

I saw the curvature of the Pacific last year, the Atlantic previously, and I see it from a plane several times a year.

Flat-Earthers have to disbelieve their own eyes.

 

[Richard.20.12]

I'm looking out at the water from the coast of the Gulf Of California as I type this, and the curvature is obvious.

I saw the curvature of the Pacific last year, the Atlantic previously, and I see it from a plane several times a year.

Flat-Earthers have to disbelieve their own eyes.

Well in fairness to science, I don't think you can discern the curvature of the Earth while on Earth with your naked eye. Nor from a plane at 37,000 feet as it apparently isn't high enough to see it. But many other people HAVE gone to the needed height to see it and there have been many thousands of photos taken documenting it. And if it was flat the temptation to release a photo would be overwhelmingly high. We would see lots of them by now if it was true. Yet not a single one has emerged. Curious how consistent the truth is, isn't it? Reliably consistent. Just like God.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Do you believe the Earth is flat? If so, to what degree do you believe the Earth is flat?

Well, there are hills, they're not flat.

Furthermore, there is a series of images on google earth illustrating how the earth continues in a loop in all directions.

It's not really a matter of belief perse.

 

[atpollard]

Somebody needs to use a “selfie stick” to take a picture over the edge … THAT would be the money shot!

 

[JohnEmmett]

People just delight in the wrong view


That’s why they say Earth is flat

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

The true debate is not "flat earth"

The true debate is Geocentrism vs Heliocentrism :

Geocentric Early Church Writer Quotes

(Please Be Kind even if you don't agree so the thread stays open) • Ambrose: Worthy surely was he to stand forth as a man who might stay the course of the river, and who might say: “Sun, stand still,” and delay the night and lengthen the day, as though to witness his victory. Why? a blessing...

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[Hans Blaster]

The true debate is not "flat earth"

The true debate is Geocentrism vs Heliocentrism :

Geocentric Early Church Writer Quotes

(Please Be Kind even if you don't agree so the thread stays open) • Ambrose: Worthy surely was he to stand forth as a man who might stay the course of the river, and who might say: “Sun, stand still,” and delay the night and lengthen the day, as though to witness his victory. Why? a blessing...

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There is no such "debate". The Sun is the center of the Solar System and nothing else. The Earth is the center of nothing.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

There is no such "debate". The Sun is the center of the Solar System and nothing else. The Earth is the center of nothing.

Early Church Writers / Saint Basil The Great of Caesarea / Saint Athanasius of Alexandria > some random person on the internet's opinion


• Saint Basil The Great of Caesarea : "There are inquirers into nature who with a great display of words give reasons for the immobility of the earth…It is not, they go on, without reason or by chance that The Earth Occupies The Center Of The Universe…Do not then be surprised that the world never falls:
It Occupies The Center Of The Universe, Its Natural Place. By necessity it is obliged to remain in its place, unless a movement contrary to nature should displace it."
(Nine Homilies on the Hexameron, 10)


• Saint Basil The Great of Caesarea : "In the midst of the covering and veil, where the priests were allowed to enter, was situated the altar of incense,
the symbol of The Earth placed in The Middle of this universe; and from it came the fumes of incense."
(The Mystic Meaning of the Tabernacle, Bk V, Ch VI; Clement of Rome, Stromata, Bk V)

• Saint Athanasius of Alexandria: "But The Earth is not supported upon itself, but is set upon the realm of the waters, while this again is kept in its place, being bound fast At The Center Of The Universe."
(Against the Heathen, Book I, Part I)