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He has been where no flat earther has beeb before!
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But to really believe the earth is flat would be to believe that the the entire space program from all countries would be in on this HUGE conspiracy. And you're saying every little kid that dreams of being an astronaut and going to space and achieving that dream is in on it as well. That's just not possible. Something would have come out by now by someone.
There are two words in the Hebrew for the word earth,
Hebrew 127 adamah, which is your basic word for land -country earth, ground, husband, land.
This is not the same word used in Genesis 1,
Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
The word for earth in this verse is
Hebrew 776 -'erets, the earth (at large or partively, a land), common, country, field, ground, land, x nations, way, +wilderness, world.
If God simply wanted to imply land in Genesis 1, I why use 776 instead of 127 which basically means land?
The earth is 99.98% flat. Flatter than your flat screen TV, flatter than your writing desk, flatter than anything you can manufacturer. But not completely.Do you believe the Earth is flat? If so, to what degree do you believe the Earth is flat?
It's flat.That is why I don't spend much time on it. It really doesn't affect me in any way. I don't have a round Earth ministry. The phenomenon does fascinate me though I must say.
So really what you are saying is to really believe the earth is flat. A person would have to believe that the sinful worldly man lies. I have absolute no problem believing this.
I have no issue (meaning I know they do, not that I am okay with it) with men lying or being wrong, they do so all the time, but it still comes back to why?
It's no good simply saying it's a lie, there has to be a major reason behind such an expensive move. Countries don't toss away billions of dollars on a prank. I am also quite sure other countries like Russia would be only too happy to toss the US in the mud if they could prove a lie. So what are the people involved getting that makes such an enormous lie worth it?
Do you believe in evolution, if not, that is do not believe in any kind of evolution. That the first humans were Adam and Eve created by God as stated in Genesis.
If so, it would interesting that you believe evolution is a lie, but then turn around and believe the other creation lies as being true.
As evolution can never exist in God's true creation of a flat stationary earth with a sun, moon and stars several 1000's of miles above the earth.
The million, billion and trillion of miles/light years required for evolution to have taken place and exist. Only work in a globe earth that exist in an unending outer space/ universe with stars trillion's of mile/light years away. Evolution requires billions of years and billions of miles.
So if a christian is going to believe in the globe earth that is required for evolution, they may as well believe in evolution also.
With that said and this occurring over long span of time, i am surprised how christian's do not see the underlying satanic influence of this long and drawn out lie.
As something solely a man inspired lie may last few years but would not carry on from one century to another.
And also would not develop from just a lie about creation, into a lie about the being that God created, that God states is made in His image.
Without first the lie about creation, the lie about God's created humankind which comes secondly, could not have happened. These lies need each other, sadly christianity has made that possible at least for christian's to believe it, the secular pagan world was already primed for it.
According to the Silmarillion the earth was flat until God found it necessary to separate the blessed realm from the earth, which resulted in it becoming a sphere.
Why would God creat only one flat planet in the whole solar system?
Why would all governments lie about space etc?
Why would all science and technology lie?
Why would William Shatner lie?
You just show me in The Bible where one of these two words used in The Bible. Is used, so it is not referring to land/ground, but instead a water cover sphere with areas of land scattered on it.
Are you seriously asking me that or is that a rhetorical question?
If I can remember that d taylor holds to a flat world surely you can remember that I am a 6 day creationist since my posts are all over the creation board quoting Exodus 20
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
I think I may wear out the carpet from quoting that so many times. I have also agreed on your creation posts numerous times. Looks like I need to up my posting..
Of course evolution is a lie. It allows people to believe the fantasy that the world created itself without a creator. How else do atheists remain being atheists?
Here is my verse where God says clearly he created in 6 days just in case you missed it above.
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
It's very clear I am sure you would agree with me on that.
And if you go back to he start it says:
20 And God spake all these words, saying,
Because some people try and claim that wasn't God speaking, but it clearly is. God himself said that he created in 6 days.
Now over to flat earth. You do not have a clear verse where God says the earth is flat and you know that very well, as I have asked and pointed that out to you before.
And as I said to you then, if you wish to believe the world is flat without a clear verse teaching it you are free to do so.
This is my whole point. There is no such verse because if there were I would also believe it. But again (because all this is me repeating everything I have said before)
the shape is not something I focus on. Whether it is flat, squished or as round as a rubber ball I don't really care. God does not need a flat earth or a sphere earth to create upon. God can work on any shape he wishes it to be.
I think it is round because the moon looks round to me when I look at it. Sorry but it does. Now if God comes and tells me otherwise than that will also be fine, but you are not God.
Secondly we have pictures of the earth. If those are a lie then what is the reason for the lie? Again I have never been shown any reasons and it would have to be a big reason to make governments spend billions of dollars. I don't think it's unreasonable of me to ask for a reason behind such a huge hoax is it?
I am not your opponent and as I said before rifts and disagreements amongst those of us who do hold to creation only weakens what we are trying to teach.
Of course it could. Evolutionists will get around anything. They ignore all evidence for a young earth.
Also even in the flat world model, who gets to say the a sun, moon and stars are several 1000's of miles above the earth? Again there is no Bible verse stating that. I highly doubt every person who holds to flat earth thinks the same way. I bet if I did some research I would find numerous flat earth models.
People could believe the earth is flat and also in space with stars trillion's of light years away.
I believe God moved the stars into place. If that was several 1000 or billions of miles away makes no difference to me. No matter how far it was that God moved them, he did so in an instance.
You must realize that the majority of 6 day creationists believe in a globe shaped earth?
Because:
1. There is no verse where God says the earth is flat.
2. God can do his work on any shape and at any distance.
3. No one has shown a good reason for the space pictures to be a lie and there needs to be one.
4. The moon looks round with my own two eyes. Now I am quite aware that logic is not always the thing to follow, but God does not say otherwise. Which goes back to point 1, no clear verse saying the earth is flat.
I disagree. The best lies, the most believable lies are those that contain a good amount of truth along with the untruth.
The first lie spoken on earth was "Did God really say"?
“Did God really say that you must not eat from any tree in the garden?”
That lie has not changed.
You however have not established that a globe earth is a lie since there is no clear verse teaching a flat earth. This is my focus, what scripture actually teaches.
Science this time happens to agree with me but honestly I don't pay it much attention. Science isn't wrong all the time, it's given us medicines and the internet so we can argue here.
Again I still disagree. Peoples varieties of belief are not so easily divided, they can be multi shaded. I've seen the oddest mix of beliefs since joining this site.
There is no reason why someone couldn't believe that the world is flat but also flying around in space exactly the same way as a globe earth is. You assume all flat earth believers believe the earth is not only flat but also stationary, plus has a globe with the sun, moon and stars several thousand miles away. I say peoples beliefs are not so neat and tidy and that if you dig you will find a variety of believes even among flat earth proponents.
A flat-Earth believer has their heart in the right place. They want to take man's word as directly written by God and littoral. They have great faithIt's flat.
Earth under your feet appears completely flat but the curve is so gradual you don't notice it. That's all they had to go by.
A flat Eart makes sense on the ground but once you get a look at the Earth from space, there is no doubt. I think they were pretty sure the Earth was round hundreds of years before we went to outer space.
Well in Genesis 1 if we take things back to the Hebrew, we can see that the earth "became null and void".