Is the Earth Flat?

[Richard.20.12]

Both Saturn & Jupiter when I got my first 4.5" Newtonian

For your children get a Dobsonian. Much more scope for the money. Its impossible reasoning with these flat Earthers.

 

[d taylor]

We've all seen the sun, haven't we? Its ROUND. Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune and Pluto.....all ROUND. The moons of the solar system.....all ROUND.

Well since you have not seen them in actual life
for an example Jupiter does not look like this.

Here it is as seen from life moving across the sky.

 

[JacksBratt]

A selenelion occurs during a lunar eclipse when the sun and moon are observed above the horizon. Atmospheric refraction bends light rays and lifts the image of the sun, and the moon typically up to 0.6°, so both can appear above the horizon.

Ah... there it is.... "atmospheric refraction". The perfect solution..

In my opinion... it's just another word for "smoke and mirrors".

How, as an aside, does the moon, a huge object, make such a small shadow, on the earth, during a solar eclipse?

No object and single light source, can make a shadow smaller than the object. Try it.

I watched, and chuckled, as NASA tried to explain the direction of the shadow across the earth too....I can't find the video now. They must have taken it down. It got hammered so badly.

When given real questions, they have to really dig in and make some crazy excuses.

 

[JacksBratt]

We've all seen the sun, haven't we? Its ROUND. Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune and Pluto.....all ROUND. The moons of the solar system.....all ROUND.

God created the heavens and the earth... What did He create the planets and stars for?
What did He create the earth for?

Two different purposes.. One for us to have light from, show seasons and signs... The other to live on.

Two purposes... don't need to be the same shape then.

It's not logical to argue that since all planets are spheres.. then.. the earth must be.

All red berries are not edible.
All root vegetables are not shaped like carrots.
All fruits do not have the seeds inside.
Not all trees lose their leaves in the fall.
Not all ducks are good to eat.

God has a purpose for all things.. The earth does not need to be a sphere.

 

[d taylor]

We've all seen the sun, haven't we? Its ROUND. Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune and Pluto.....all ROUND. The moons of the solar system.....all ROUND.

Sun and moon the two great lights created by God to give light up on the earth. And are circular convex disk that shine their light toward the surface of the earth they light nothing else.

 

[Paul4JC]

We've all seen the sun, haven't we? Its ROUND. Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune and Pluto.....all ROUND. The moons of the solar system.....all ROUND.

Ok, so now show this from the Bible. Show us that the sun is a star. Show that the moon is not a light. Show these gods you mentioned above, that they in the Bible? Have you seen them through a telescope or just NASA CGI?

 

[prodromos]

They have some real fancy explanations to try to get out of this impossibility.. but.. here you go..
A "selenelion"

Atmospheric refraction is a fact of life. Surveyors have to take it into account when doing long distance readings.

 

[prodromos]

Sun and moon the two great lights created by God to give light up on the earth. And are circular convex disk that shine their light toward the surface of the earth they light nothing else.

The moons of Saturn and Jupiter cast shadows onto the planet surfaces, oddly enough, directly in line with the sun, perfectly matching the globe model. How do you explain those shadows?

 

[prodromos]

Show these gods you mentioned above, that they in the Bible?

I haven't seen "Paul4JC" in the Bible. I guess you don't exist.

 

[prodromos]

Show that the moon is not a light.

As an electrician I have installed dozens of light fittings that only present reflected light, keeping the direct light source hidden as it would be too harsh for the eyes. The moon is a light in the same sense, reflecting light from the sun.

 

[d taylor]

The moons of Saturn and Jupiter cast shadows onto the planet surfaces, oddly enough, directly in line with the sun, perfectly matching the globe model. How do you explain those shadows?

You want to provide an actual visual showing this. Or is this something you have just been told.

From my recordings of these two stars i have never seen any moons only smaller stars.

 

[prodromos]

You want to provide an actual visual showing this. Or is this something you have just been told.

There are recordings from Hubble, but I doubt you would accept them. The Griffith observatory in L.A. recorded the transition of the shadows of three of Jupiter's moons over a decade ago, but atmospheric conditions at the time made it impossible to discern. I haven't searched any other observatories to see if they recorded clearer images. I have a reasonably decent telescope with an equatorial mount but I haven't set it up since we moved back to Australia as there is too much light pollution around here at night. I also do not have an adapter for my son's DSLR camera, so I can't record even if I wanted to.

From my recordings of these two stars i have never seen any moons only smaller stars.

You will have had plenty of opportunities to record the moons transitioning across the face of the planet. Plenty of other people have done so.

 

[Larniavc]

Why do all liquids continually get more dense when cooled.. and continue after they are fozen.... While water gets denser until 4 degrees celcius.. the expands?

The angle of the hydrogen bonds changes. That is an example of how trivial those questions are: this school age knowledge.

 

[Larniavc]

Have you actually ever seen a real star (planet, call by science) or are you just going by pictures you have seen.

Look up at night. See those pretty little lights? You’ve just seen stars.

 

[JacksBratt]

The angle of the hydrogen bonds changes. That is an example of how trivial those questions are: this school age knowledge.

That's not my point..


My point is that nothing else does this... and....... Stop and think of what the world would be like if it didn't.

 

[prodromos]

Ah... there it is.... "atmospheric refraction". The perfect solution..

In my opinion... it's just another word for "smoke and mirrors".

The fool has said in his heart, there is no atmospheric refraction.

How, as an aside, does the moon, a huge object, make such a small shadow, on the earth, during a solar eclipse?

Simple, the light source is orders of magnitude more massive than the moon.

No object and single light source, can make a shadow smaller than the object. Try it.

I can do it easily. The sun is not a point light source. It has a huge volume and light is emitted from every part of its surface in every direction. When the sun is low on the horizon such that you cast a shadow on a wall behind you when facing the sun, when you are close to the wall your shadow is sharp, but as you move away from the wall it becomes fuzzy as the umbra gets larger but your shadow actually gets smaller. It isn't that easy to see as there is a lot of diffuse light being reflected from everything else but it can be easily simulated if you do the experiment in a room without diffuse light.

I watched, and chuckled, as NASA tried to explain the direction of the shadow across the earth too....I can't find the video now. They must have taken it down. It got hammered so badly.

What problem do you have with the direction of the moon's shadow during an eclipse?

When given real questions, they have to really dig in and make some crazy excuses.

Physics isn't crazy.

 

[prodromos]

Sun and moon the two great lights created by God to give light up on the earth. And are circular convex disk that shine their light toward the surface of the earth they light nothing else.

Where do you find those particular details in Scripture?

 

[HantsUK]

As an electrician I have installed dozens of light fittings that only present reflected light, keeping the direct light source hidden as it would be too harsh for the eyes. The moon is a light in the same sense, reflecting light from the sun.

Electronic products often have LEDs (a source of light) to indicate status. Marketing or customers will always require these to be on the front or side of the product. However, they are usually somewhere inside, with a light pipe to give the illusion that the light is on the front.

No customer or manager will think there is any contradiction between the light being on the front, while it is actually buried somewhere inside but with a light pipe.

 

[Larniavc]

That's not my point..


My point is that nothing else does this... and....... Stop and think of what the world would be like if it didn't.

Really? What about the various other substances that expand on freezing such as silicon, gallium, germanium, antimony, bismuth or plutonium? Or in fact any spacious crystal lattices with tetrahedral coordination?

This is basic stuff that you appear to be unaware of.

 

[Larniavc]

The fool has said in his heart, there is no atmospheric refraction.

Lol!