Is the Earth Flat?

[d taylor]

Yes but you can’t explain a sunrise or a sunset. How does that work on a flat earth?

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I can explain it, it is you just will not believe it. Just like i can tell an atheist how to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life, but they will not believe it.

 

[prodromos]

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I can explain it, it is you just will not believe it. Just like i can tell an atheist how to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life, but they will not believe it.

Not at all the same.

 

[d taylor]

Not at all the same.

I have long ago learned we do not agree on anything concerning The Bible. So there is really nothing else to say, at least there is nothing on my behalf.

 

[BNR32FAN]

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I can explain it, it is you just will not believe it. Just like i can tell an atheist how to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life, but they will not believe it.

That’s because I already know that it won’t make any sense because it’s impossible. It absolutely cannot work with a flat earth. I think you know that and that’s why you won’t give an explanation because you can’t offer one that actually coincides with what we observe about the sun’s movements and illumination of the earth.

 

[JacksBratt]

That’s because I already know that it won’t make any sense because it’s impossible. It absolutely cannot work with a flat earth. I think you know that and that’s why you won’t give an explanation because you can’t offer one that actually coincides with what we observe about the sun’s movements and illumination of the earth.

This shows day, night, seasons and phases of the moon.. That is if you are of the mindset that the moon is reflecting the suns light.. either way...

Enjoy.

 

[prodromos]

This shows day, night, seasons and phases of the moon.. That is if you are of the mindset that the moon is reflecting the suns light.. either way...

Enjoy.

Fail.
In the middle of Winter in the southern hemisphere, the whole of Antarctica does not see the sun. Skiba's model does not account for that. Nor does it work for Winter in the Northern hemisphere where the Arctic does not see the sun, yet areas on his model which are further away from the sun still see the sun.
The globe model accounts for everything we observe, but while some flat earth models account for some observations they do not account for others. Thus they are false models.
The above model also fails spectacularly in providing any explanation how a flight from Sydney to Tokyo is roughly 10 hours while Sydney to Santiago is roughly 15 hours despite the distance on the model being more than double, without taking into account that flights from Sydney to Santiago follow the lines of lattitude which would make the distance even greater on the above model. Sydney to Los Angeles is roughly 13.5 hours flight time, yet Los Angeles to Santiago is roughly 11.5 hours. None of these figures add up on any flat earth model, yet they fit the globe model.

 

[d taylor]

That’s because I already know that it won’t make any sense because it’s impossible. It absolutely cannot work with a flat earth. I think you know that and that’s why you won’t give an explanation because you can’t offer one that actually coincides with what we observe about the sun’s movements and illumination of the earth.

It is not hard at all to give an explanation for God's creation. Just like The Bible states the sun and moon are two created lights. Created to give light up on the earth. Why The Bible states just the earth, because that is God's creation (and heaven/sky). So God created two lights that face the earth to light the earth up. The sun and moon are convex lights that shine on the earth. A sun set is simply the sun or moon going out of a person's visual perspective. Because the sun, moon are small light's that are some 2000, 3000, 4000, + miles above earth

 

[JacksBratt]

Fail.
In the middle of Winter in the southern hemisphere, the whole of Antarctica does not see the sun. Skiba's model does not account for that. Nor does it work for Winter in the Northern hemisphere where the Arctic does not see the sun, yet areas on his model which are further away from the sun still see the sun.
The globe model accounts for everything we observe, but while some flat earth models account for some observations they do not account for others. Thus they are false models.
The above model also fails spectacularly in providing any explanation how a flight from Sydney to Tokyo is roughly 10 hours while Sydney to Santiago is roughly 15 hours despite the distance on the model being more than double, without taking into account that flights from Sydney to Santiago follow the lines of lattitude which would make the distance even greater on the above model. Sydney to Los Angeles is roughly 13.5 hours flight time, yet Los Angeles to Santiago is roughly 11.5 hours. None of these figures add up on any flat earth model, yet they fit the globe model.

I guess "D Taylor" was correct.

"I can explain it, it is you just will not believe it." Post 601

Rob's model works.. all it needs, for your point to be corrected, is for the sun to move a little further or the amount of area of the sunlight to be a little smaller for 67 days..

You won't even give credit for a model that answers the questions you ask.

 

[prodromos]

I guess "D Taylor" was correct.

In a bizarre alternate universe where everything means the opposite.

Rob's model works.. all it needs, for your point to be corrected, is for the sun to move a little further or the amount of area of the sunlight to be a little smaller for 67 days..

It cannot work for Antarctica. Nothing you can do to the model will make it work.

You won't even give credit for a model that answers the questions you ask.

It doesn't. All it does is raise more questions.

 

[BNR32FAN]

This shows day, night, seasons and phases of the moon.. That is if you are of the mindset that the moon is reflecting the suns light.. either way...

Enjoy.

This doesn’t show a sunset or a sunrise.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It is not hard at all to give an explanation for God's creation. Just like The Bible states the sun and moon are two created lights. Created to give light up on the earth. Why The Bible states just the earth, because that is God's creation (and heaven/sky). So God created two lights that face the earth to light the earth up. The sun and moon are convex lights that shine on the earth. A sun set is simply the sun or moon going out of a person's visual perspective. Because the sun, moon are small light's that are some 2000, 3000, 4000, + miles above earth

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Then it would go out of sight in the sky nor over the horizon. Kind of like when you watch an airplane fly out of sight you see it disappear in the sky not over the horizon.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Fail.
In the middle of Winter in the southern hemisphere, the whole of Antarctica does not see the sun. Skiba's model does not account for that. Nor does it work for Winter in the Northern hemisphere where the Arctic does not see the sun, yet areas on his model which are further away from the sun still see the sun.
The globe model accounts for everything we observe, but while some flat earth models account for some observations they do not account for others. Thus they are false models.
The above model also fails spectacularly in providing any explanation how a flight from Sydney to Tokyo is roughly 10 hours while Sydney to Santiago is roughly 15 hours despite the distance on the model being more than double, without taking into account that flights from Sydney to Santiago follow the lines of lattitude which would make the distance even greater on the above model. Sydney to Los Angeles is roughly 13.5 hours flight time, yet Los Angeles to Santiago is roughly 11.5 hours. None of these figures add up on any flat earth model, yet they fit the globe model.

Yeah the model also shows North America being 1/4 the size of South America and Australia being roughly the same size as Europe and Asia combined. It’s ridiculously inaccurate because it’s impossible to make a flat map of the earth that is to scale.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It is not hard at all to give an explanation for God's creation. Just like The Bible states the sun and moon are two created lights. Created to give light up on the earth. Why The Bible states just the earth, because that is God's creation (and heaven/sky). So God created two lights that face the earth to light the earth up. The sun and moon are convex lights that shine on the earth. A sun set is simply the sun or moon going out of a person's visual perspective. Because the sun, moon are small light's that are some 2000, 3000, 4000, + miles above earth

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Look at the angle of the light you’ve shown here, does that look like a perfect circle like the sun does? No it doesn’t. If the sun is not a sphere you would see the shape change as it goes across the sky because your viewing it from different angles.

 

[prodromos]

Look at the angle of the light you’ve shown here, does that look like a perfect circle like the sun does? No it doesn’t. If the sun is not a sphere you would see the shape change as it goes across the sky because your viewing it from different angles.

Plus it would get smaller as it got further away due to perspective. Instead it stays exactly the same size all they way to the horizon

 

[prodromos]

The sun and moon are convex lights that shine on the earth. A sun set is simply the sun or moon going out of a person's visual perspective. Because the sun, moon are small light's that are some 2000, 3000, 4000, + miles above earth

You can't even give an accurate distance for the sun even though it is one of the simplest observations you could make. Call up a friend or relative who lives a few hundred miles away and measure the angle of the sun at the same moment, then it is basic trigonometry to determine how far the sun is from each of your locations. It is telling that despite flat earthers existing all over the USA, they have never attempted to do this because it will immediately show the falaehood of their claims.
@JacksBratt and @d taylor, you guys live far enough apart to do this easily. Why don't you prove us all wrong and put this issue to bed once and for all?
Since I would not want you guys revealing your exact locations, if you guys like you can both go to some open space a little distance away from where each of you live and put a 1 meter pole in the ground (using a spirit level to ensure it is vertical) then you can measure the length of the shadow at an agreed time then post your coordinates, time of day and length of shadow so we can all do the calculations and it is all above board. I would be happy to do it with someone in Australia.(not right now as I am in Greece)

 

[Aryeh Jay]

You can't even give an accurate distance for the sun even though it is one of the simplest observations you could make. Call up a friend or relative who lives a few hundred miles away and measure the angle of the sun at the same moment, then it is basic trigonometry to determine how far the sun is from each of your locations. It is telling that despite flat earthers existing all over the USA, they have never attempted to do this because it will immediately show the falaehood of their claims.
@JacksBratt and @d taylor, you guys live far enough apart to do this easily. Why don't you prove us all wrong and put this issue to bed once and for all?
Since I would not want you guys revealing your exact locations, if you guys like you can both go to some open space a little distance away from where each of you live and put a 1 meter pole in the ground (using a spirit level to ensure it is vertical) then you can measure the length of the shadow at an agreed time then post your coordinates, time of day and length of shadow so we can all do the calculations and it is all above board. I would be happy to do it with someone in Australia.(not right now as I am in Greece)

Trigonometry doesn't work in Greece?

 

[prodromos]

Trigonometry doesn't work in Greece?

I'm too far from Australia to have a straight line between where I am currently staying and any CF members in Australia. Any tests have to be done under conditions that will work on both a flat earth and a globe earth, to prove one and disprove the other. I'm currently on the wrong side of the globe to do the test with my fellow Aussies.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I'm too far from Australia to have a straight line between where I am currently staying and any CF members in Australia. Any tests have to be done under conditions that will work on both a flat earth and a globe earth, to prove one and disprove the other. I'm currently on the wrong side of the globe to do the test with my fellow Aussies.

Ah, well have an enjoyable time in Greece.

 

[JacksBratt]

This doesn’t show a sunset or a sunrise.

If you think about it... the circle of light on the earth in the model.. would be daytime. The sun would simply go so far that you would no longer see it.. It's light no longer illuminating your area.. Like holding a flashlight, pointing at the floor and moving around.
It's pretty simple to figure out. But, Rob does have other vids of this model to explain it.

 

[prodromos]

I can't believe how long I had been listening to Rob. His research into so many things that society and the church just would not accept about the past was phenomenal.

He was a great man of God and his journey to be a full blown FE'er is documented in his years of video on his YouTube site.

I must admit, I don't agree with everything Rob believed.. but a lot of it... is solid IMO.

His videos are long, however..

Try some parts of this:

The Flat Earth Controversy From A Biblical Worldview


Easy Globalist Arguments To Refute

To quote Mr Skiba from the 2nd link, "I'm sorry, but this is total B.S.! I'm not buying it and listening to the guy selling this crap"
That seems to sum up his argument against anything that disproves the flat earth.
In one place he quotes from a source that states the curvature of the earth on the horizon is not apparent until you reach a very high altitude, then later he posts photo after photo of the horizon from close to sea level as 'proof' that the horizon is flat.
All I can say to that is "duh"
I'm not gaining confidence in his ability to argue anything at the moment, rather it is confirming my original impression from his atmospheric magnification and refraction video.