Is the Earth Flat?

[prodromos]

Think someone beat you to it.

The curvature is still visible in that video, despite the more distant pylons being obscured by haze.

 

[prodromos]

That is why when doing photos over a lake for either proving or disproving curvature of water, it is absolutely necessary the water be absolutely calm, no wave ( or a very minimum) motion.

The issue you run into is distortion due to the variations in air density near the water surface. You would have to take multiple photos under different conditions to see what impact it has.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Building a tower to the heavens.

Sounds pretty high.

Nobody knows how high planes really fly.

And if a plane flies level at a set altitude, that proves a flat earth. If a plane flew level over a so called globe earth, the plane would continue to climb as the ball gets farther away.

Never mind I see the problem.

 

[d taylor]

Why do you believe this?

Do you have any photos of rockets not looking like this. That is going up and eventually leveling off and going parallel to the earth before they come back down.

Again leveling off to where it is parallel

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[rturner76]

Building a tower to the heavens.

Sounds pretty high.

Nobody knows how high planes really fly.

Sure they do, it's called an altimeter. It measures the distance to the ground below.

And if a plane flies level at a set altitude, that proves a flat earth. If a plane flew level over a so called globe earth, the plane would continue to climb as the ball gets farther away.

You should go back and review middle school science class where they teach about gravity. By using your altimeter when you fly, you can maintain whatever altitude you choose.

From space.com

"But as you travel south, approaching the equator, Polaris sinks lower and lower toward the horizon. Once you’ve crossed that boundary, you can't see it at all — it's blocked by the curve of Earth in that direction.


Similarly, as you travel south, new constellations await your delighted gaze — ones that would be completely obscured by Earth's curve if you stayed up north.


There's another trick you can play, too. If you live in an especially flat area, you'll be able to see stars down to the horizon but no farther (because Earth is in your way). But if you travel up — say, to the top of a mountain — you get a better vantage point and can see stars farther down than you could before.

In fact, the ninth century Abbasid Caliph al-Ma-mun sent an expedition to do exactly that and used those observations to measure Earth's circumference"


They have known about the curvature of the Earth for over a thousand years.

In fact, the ninth century Abbasid Caliph al-Ma-mun sent an expedition to do exactly that and used those observations to measure Earth's circumference.

 

[d taylor]

The issue you run into is distortion due to the variations in air density near the water surface. You would have to take multiple photos under different conditions to see what impact it has.

It still does not hurt to have a body of water that is calm and having as less motion (water movement up and down) as can be had, on a large body of water.

 

[JacksBratt]

While the earth rotates and orbits the sun, it is still firmly fixed in those courses. The earth never gets too close or far from the sun. It always maintains a perfect fixed position. Days are always 24 hours long. There's no deviation in that. So the earth is fixed to that pattern. It does not deviate or wobble. To me there are descriptions of the earth that go beyond what mankind should have known at the time, which to me shows that scripture was inspired by God.

While there are those who came to believe in God though the bible describing it as flat from their point of view, I'm sure many would say that if the bible really is actually saying the earth is flat, then to them that would be proof the bible is false and keep them from believing in God.

The reason why I believe the earth is a globe, is simply because of the large number of people who have observed the earth from very high altitudes to out in space, and have all seen globular earth.

You say that many have seen the earth from high altitudes and have seen a globe.

Then Why did Augusta Picard state that he saw "what seemed to be a flat disk with upturned edges"?

And...

Why do all the photographers shoot with a fish eye lens that will show a curve at 10 feet.. 20 feet 1000 feet or 0 feet... with the same radius of curvature?

I understand that you hold the globe view.. but to found it on what a few people say. ( in relation to the population of the world.. it is negligible a few hundred) and the simple fact that photos taken with a real lens... show a flat horizon.

 

[d taylor]

The person who wrote this is not a flat earth believer (too bad) but he writes a good paper.

https://www.godawa.com/chronicles_o...s_By_Others/Seely-3-Geo_Meaning_Earth_Sea.pdf

 

[BNR32FAN]

Do you have any photos of rockets not looking like this. That is going up and eventually leveling off and going parallel to the earth before they come back down.

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Yeah I explained that already. They do that to use less fuel as they establish an orbit. If they just went straight up they would come right back down to earth unless they actually left the sphere of influence in which case they would fly way off into space ending up in an orbit around the sun and die. You can’t just fly up into space and stop because gravitational fields are constantly affecting the ship. They have to gain enough speed flying perpendicular to the earth in order to establish an orbit. Not enough speed and they will re enter earth’s atmosphere and fall back down to the planet and too much could cause their orbit to leave the sphere of influence. The sphere of influence is the gravitational pull towards the earth that we experience here on the planet. The reason it is nullified, or at least appears to be nullified when astronauts are in space is because of the centrifugal force of their orbit. The speed they are traveling around the earth nullifies the effect of the earth’s gravitational pull.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Do you have any photos of rockets not looking like this. That is going up and eventually leveling off and going parallel to the earth before they come back down.

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Here’s a video that shows how it works.

 

[d taylor]

 

[prodromos]

You say that many have seen the earth from high altitudes and have seen a globe.

Then Why did Augusta Picard state that he saw "what seemed to be a flat disk with upturned edges"?

I don't know why he said that, but you are giving one person who claims they saw a flat earth verses many who have witnessed a globe. Your statistical sample doesn't fly

Why do all the photographers shoot with a fish eye lens that will show a curve at 10 feet.. 20 feet 1000 feet or 0 feet... with the same radius of curvature?

As I've already mentioned, if a straight line passes through the centre of the field of view of a fish-eye or other wide angle lense then it will appear straight. Either side of the centre will cause the straight line to appear curved away from the centre. When the horizon has been in the centre of the field of view in thos high elevation shots, it has still been curved, thus it is not a straight line.

I understand that you hold the globe view.. but to found it on what a few people say. ( in relation to the population of the world.. it is negligible a few hundred) and the simple fact that photos taken with a real lens... show a flat horizon.

By the same token, you found your view on what significantly fewer people say, so your argument works against you.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then Why did Augusta Picard state that he saw "what seemed to be a flat disk with upturned edges"?

I used to read the works of Edgar Allan Poe, and I remember that in two of his stories he had footnotes detailing how the earth would look from up in a hot air balloon; and he described it as being upturned on the edges -- concave.

 

[JacksBratt]

I don't know why he said that, but you are giving one person who claims they saw a flat earth verses many who have witnessed a globe. Your statistical sample doesn't fly

You mean the first guy to go that high in the atmosphere, almost die and come back and give his eyewitness account, that has stood undisputed for more than 70 years... when he had no reason to lie... and was actually making a pretty bold statement?

ah... ya. absolutely. I'd trust him more than the NASA puppets.

Nobody disputed it until the FE started to hit the internet.. Then they claimed the reporter stated it... I mean really... If a scientist made such a voyage and the reporter misquoted him..the last thing he is going to do is let it go.

As I've already mentioned, if a straight line passes through the centre of the field of view of a fish-eye or other wide angle lense then it will appear straight. Either side of the centre will cause the straight line to appear curved away from the centre. When the horizon has been in the centre of the field of view in thos high elevation shots, it has still been curved, thus it is not a straight line.

Not the videos that I have seen. Soon as the horizon passes through the center... it's flat.

By the same token, you found your view on what significantly fewer people say, so your argument works against you.

My point was that in actual fact, not that many people have been high enough... and of those people.. They have much much more to lose if they came back and stated that the earth was not a sphere... think about it.... They would easily be discredited by all the others and labeled as a wack job.

 

[BNR32FAN]

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How about sunrises and sunsets, how are those possible with the flat earth model?

 

[d taylor]

How about sunrises and sunsets, how are those possible with the flat earth model?

It might be here Rob Skiba made a video that addressed that question. My computer is real slow so it takes to long to scroll down to his bottom (earlier videos) to look around and find video. But this may be it, look toward the end of the video.

 

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[AV1611VET]

* media *

Wow -- just wow!

 

[prodromos]

You mean the first guy to go that high in the atmosphere, almost die and come back and give his eyewitness account, that has stood undisputed for more than 70 years... when he had no reason to lie... and was actually making a pretty bold statement?

Actually, considering he reached an altitude of 52,000 feet, he would only be able to about 280 miles in every direction. The upturned edge could well have been the Swiss Alps. Also, why did he need to ascend to that altitude in a pressurised vessel? If the earth is enclosed by a dome then air pressure would be constant throughout, yet air pressure decreases as you go higher.

 

[ozso]

You say that many have seen the earth from high altitudes and have seen a globe.

Then Why did Augusta Picard state that he saw "what seemed to be a flat disk with upturned edges"?

And...

Why do all the photographers shoot with a fish eye lens that will show a curve at 10 feet.. 20 feet 1000 feet or 0 feet... with the same radius of curvature?

I understand that you hold the globe view.. but to found it on what a few people say. ( in relation to the population of the world.. it is negligible a few hundred) and the simple fact that photos taken with a real lens... show a flat horizon.

You say that many have seen the earth from high altitudes and have seen a globe.

Then Why did Augusta Picard state that he saw "what seemed to be a flat disk with upturned edges"?

And...

Why do all the photographers shoot with a fish eye lens that will show a curve at 10 feet.. 20 feet 1000 feet or 0 feet... with the same radius of curvature?

I understand that you hold the globe view.. but to found it on what a few people say. ( in relation to the population of the world.. it is negligible a few hundred) and the simple fact that photos taken with a real lens... show a flat horizon.

So Augusta Picard's testimony is valid. But everyone else has been lying.