Is the Earth Flat?

[d taylor]

While the earth rotates and orbits the sun, it is still firmly fixed in those courses. The earth never gets too close or far from the sun. It always maintains a perfect fixed position. Days are always 24 hours long. There's no deviation in that. So the earth is fixed to that pattern. It does not deviate or wobble. To me there are descriptions of the earth that go beyond what mankind should have known at the time, which to me shows that scripture was inspired by God.

While there are those who came to believe in God though the bible describing it as flat from their point of view, I'm sure many would say that if the bible really is actually saying the earth is flat, then to them that would be proof the bible is false and keep them from believing in God.

The reason why I believe the earth is a globe, is simply because of the large number of people who have observed the earth from very high altitudes to out in space, and have all seen globular earth.

Show verses from The Bible where the earth rotates and that the earth moves around the sun.

 

[d taylor]

The problem is, I'm always going to be focused on one simple fact. Many private citizens have seen the curvature of the earth in high altitude commercial planes (the Concord flew at 60,00 feet for example). And then there's all the non-government non-NASA private citizens who have gone into space via Blue Origin who have seen a spherical earth. And that number is going increase greatly as buying a ticket for a short space flight becomes available.

From this article written in this magazine the link
is to.The Concorde: Faster Than Sound
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We're flying above 50,000 feet now, almost 10 miles high. At this altitude you're supposed to be able to discern the curvature of the earth, but for whatever reason, it's not apparent. Maybe the windows are too small or, hey, maybe that guy from the Flat Earth Research Society was right after all. It does seem to be getting dark out there, and downstairs there's a storm brewing over the North Atlantic.

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[ozso]

Show verses from The Bible where the earth rotates and that the earth moves around the sun.

I don't see any verses in the bible about the earth precluding that. The verses said to indicate a flat earth, just as easily apply to a spherical earth in my opinion.

Regarding your signature, I've seen the planet Saturn though a telescope.

 

[ozso]

From this article written in this magazine the link
is to.The Concorde: Faster Than Sound
​

We're flying above 50,000 feet now, almost 10 miles high. At this altitude you're supposed to be able to discern the curvature of the earth, but for whatever reason, it's not apparent. Maybe the windows are too small or, hey, maybe that guy from the Flat Earth Research Society was right after all. It does seem to be getting dark out there, and downstairs there's a storm brewing over the North Atlantic.

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Interesting. Someone recently mentioned that they have observed the curvature of the earth from high altitude flights, either here or the other forum I hang out in. I'll try to find it.

 

[d taylor]

I don't see any verses in the bible about the earth precluding that. The verses said to indicate a flat earth, just as easily apply to a spherical earth in my opinion.

Regarding your signature, I've seen the planet Saturn though a telescope.

Saturn is a star. Really do you think it would have been just too difficult for God to add in planets to God creation account in Genesis 1 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also.

If God actually created planets, why were they left out in the creation account.

Or why does Paul not mention them in 1 Corinthians 15 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.

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[ozso]

Saturn is a star. Really do you think it would have been just too difficult for God to add in planets to God creation account in Genesis 1 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also.

If God actually created planets, why were they left out in the creation account.

Or why does Paul not mention them in 1 Corinthians 15 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.

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I guess it depends on what one defines a star as. Using the naked eye Saturn looks like a star. Although the difference between Venus, Mars, Saturn and Jupiter compared to Sirius, Rigel, Aldebaran and Vega is that from my own observation the former produce a steady light, whereas the later produce a flickering light. Also the former become bigger and smaller over time, whereas the later stay the same size.

Another difference is that as you can see from the video you posted Saturn looks somewhat dim. Whereas if you look at Sirius, Rigel, Aldebaran and Vega etc using the same telescope, they're extremely bright. Like looking into the beam of a flashlight.

 

[ozso]

“And gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.” Isaiah 11:12

Could be said to indicate that the earth is square shaped, since a flat round disk doesn't have corners.

Or as it turns out...

 

[d taylor]

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satan has done a good job with his deception by being able to draw up a different image of the word earth in The Bible.

When speaking of the word earth used in The Bible, science has convinced believers and unbelievers. That when they read earth in The Bible this image (below) is ingrained into peoples minds.
Most people think, this is what the word earth in The Bible is actually speaking about.

When in reality the word earth (erets) in The Bible simply means land, ground and not a water covered sphere with areas of land scattered over it.

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[ozso]

So according to what I looked up there have been 135 space shuttle missions carrying 789 people into space who have seen a spherical planet Earth. What's the theory on that? 789 people are all lying?

 

[d taylor]

So according to what I looked up there have been 135 space shuttle missions carrying 789 people into space who have seen a spherical planet Earth. What's the theory on that? 789 people are all lying?

What do you mean into space. As far as i can tell 20 to 30 miles high, is as high as a rocket can go up.

And i personally i am not sure people actually ride in rockets. They may be put into a balloon and sent up or something like that.

I have filmed and taken photos of the iss i know that the iss is not 250 mile high and it certainly is not moving at 17,000 miles an hr.

This shuttle just goes up at then starts leveling off and is basically parallel to the earths surface probably at about 20 miles high.

 

[ozso]

What do you mean into space. As far as i can tell 20 to 30 miles high, is as high as a rocket can go up.

And i personally i am not sure people actually ride in rockets. They may be put into a balloon and sent up or something like that.

I have filmed and taken photos of the iss i know that the iss is not 250 mile high and it certainly is not moving at 17,000 miles an hr.

This shuttle just goes up at then starts leveling off and is basically parallel to the earths surface probably at about 20 miles high.

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What they're seeing when up there is this:

Now it could be said that's fake footage. But then that would mean all 789 people would have to be lying over a period of 30 years that that's the kind of view they had. I don't see how I can get around that.

 

[BNR32FAN]

But does it matter if they want to believe the earth is flat? Does this belief affect their day to day life or faith? I don't think it does, no more than believing the earth is a globe does. People still wake up in the morning go about their day and turn in at night. They still read the Bible and go to worship. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Maybe I should stick to flying potato and see if it changes anything.

Well if they’re refusing to acknowledge the truth then they are promoting lies.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I have met more than a couple of Flat Earthers right here on Christian Forums. It does not matter what footage you show them. It could be a live launch with footage from lift-off to orbit and they still won't believe it. They always outlast me on the topic where I just give up on the exchange.

I don't know why I find it so hard to ignore sometimes. I feel like "they need to hear this" but they don't care what I have to say most of the time. I've never reverted anyone.

Have them call another flat earther on the opposite side of the planet at noon and ask them where the sun is. That should be an easy way to prove that the earth is not flat. If the Sun is directly above at noon in Texas then it should be directly above in the Philippines. Of course we all know that it isn’t so I’m curious how they explain that.

 

[d taylor]

What they're seeing when up there is this:

Now it could be said that's fake footage. But then that would mean all 789 people would have to be lying over a period of 30 years that that's the kind of view they had. I don't see how I can get around that.

 

[BNR32FAN]

What do you mean into space. As far as i can tell 20 to 30 miles high, is as high as a rocket can go up.

And i personally i am not sure people actually ride in rockets. They may be put into a balloon and sent up or something like that.

I have filmed and taken photos of the iss i know that the iss is not 250 mile high and it certainly is not moving at 17,000 miles an hr.

This shuttle just goes up at then starts leveling off and is basically parallel to the earths surface probably at about 20 miles high.

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They do that to establish an orbit using less fuel.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Interesting. Someone recently mentioned that they have observed the curvature of the earth from high altitude flights, either here or the other forum I hang out in. I'll try to find it.

And on the ocean as well.

 

[d taylor]

They do that to establish an orbit using less fuel.

So the story goes, what else is new. Too bad they do not have actual footage to confirm this.
Never seen actual video film of a rocket go up and leave the earth in its background. Showing the earth get smaller and smaller as the rocket pulls away and leaves earth. To eventually showing a full image of earth out in space.

It is always a rocket goes up levels out showing part of a fake curve earth. Then magically the rocket appears and is out in space with the earth in the distance.

 

[d taylor]

What they're seeing when up there is this:

Now it could be said that's fake footage. But then that would mean all 789 people would have to be lying over a period of 30 years that that's the kind of view they had. I don't see how I can get around that.

Footage is at the end of video.
So you believe that there are real living people in the capsule (or whatever they call it) when it is falling from the sky. After landing the person in the window is awful still.

 

[BNR32FAN]

So the story goes, what else is new. Too bad they do not have actual footage to confirm this.
Never seen actual video film of a rocket go up and leave the earth in its background. Showing the earth get smaller and smaller as the rocket pulls away and leaves earth. To eventually showing a full image of earth out in space.

It is always a rocket goes up levels out showing part of a fake curve earth. Then magically the rocket appears and is out in space with the earth in the distance.

It wouldn’t matter if you seen it anyway because your already saying that the curve in the videos is fake. I’ll tell you something else you haven’t seen either and that’s the edge of the world, but your willing to believe in that even tho you’ve never seen it. Have you ever seen God, or what about Adam & Eve? Have you ever seen the worldwide flood, or Noah’s ark? Have you ever seen Jesus? I’m willing to bet that you believe in all these people and things you’ve never seen before because someone told you they existed. Pilots and sailors circle the globe everyday and the edge of the world never been reported, at least not in the last century. I’m going to assume your American so call someone on the other side of the planet and ask them if the sun is up right now. Is there anyone you can trust in an eastern country a family member or friend you can trust? It’s really important that you learn the truth because telling a lie as a result of stubbornness is still a lie and a sin.

 

[prodromos]

If a straight line is in the middle of the field of view of a wide angle lense then it will appear straight. If it is above the middle it will be curved upwards , if below the middle it will be curved downwards. What you need to watch for is when the horizon is right in the middle of the field of view. If it is curved in that position then it cannot be a straight line.