Is the Earth Flat?

[d taylor]

To say the Earth is flat is reducing/limiting the powers of God

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To say that God created a globe earth that is floating out in space with other planets, etc..moving around the sun. Is to make God out a liar, as the science version of the creation is in direct contrast to what is described in The Bible.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

That is right i forgot, man is this perfect little created creation that never lies, especially the ones in government.

Well, maybe there is no motive for the devil to lie. Jesus tells us he does it just because it's his nature, and so these minions do it because they are the sons of perdition.

 

[ozso]

That is right i forgot, man is this perfect little created creation that never lies, especially the ones in government.

Why would every government that has a satellite up in space need to lie about the earth being flat? There's thousands of people who monitor the telemetry of hundreds of satellites in space circling the earth.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

I'm not seeing the world being flat in that. Rather it sounds more to me like gyroscopic gravitation which keeps a spinning sphere from wobbling.

That was a reference to the motion of earth, low hanging fruit lol. Clearly at odds with scripture.

Let me try one on shape:

Contra

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Why would every government that has a satellite up in space need to lie about the earth being flat? There's thousands of people who monitor the telemetry of hundreds of satellites in space circling the earth.

You mean one of these?

Forgive me, I am sitting in the seat of the scoffers. Look at that dinky rubbish lol. Almost as well-designed as this:

I hope you're aware that some 98% of international communications go via undersea cable?

 

[d taylor]

Why would every government that has a satellite up in space need to lie about the earth being flat? There's thousands of people who monitor the telemetry of hundreds of satellites in space circling the earth.

It is funny how you will say (write) what you just said, as gospel truth. In reality all you are doing is repeating either what you have read or watched on tv or a computer, and actually have no personal proof that what you believe (said/wrote) is true.

I am sure the same can be said, that you more than likely believe that men have traveled to the moon, etc...

With that said, now you will take areas of The Bible and bend them all sorts of ways to match science version of creation. Instead of simply taking the accounts given in The Bible as they are.

 

[d taylor]

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To address the does it really matter question
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Before i write what i am going to write. I will say that God's creation and believing anything about it, either that a person does believe it or not, over science's version (big bang, evolution, globe earth, etc..).

Is not a Eternal Life (salvation problem directly) that it (believing in God's Biblical creation account) is not a condition God has given to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life. The only condition is faith,trust, belief in The Messiah for God's free gift of Eternal Life.

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

With that said above, now it (the creation account) is of an high importance, indirectly.

Because if a person can not believe the accounts about creation God has given in The Bible, as God has given them in The Bible, accurately and literally.

Then how can a person trust that God can accurately and literally tell a person how to receive His free gift of Eternal Life (salvation).

Either God can communicated 100% truthful accounts to humanity or He can not.

 

[ozso]

That was a reference to the motion of earth, low hanging fruit lol. Clearly at odds with scripture.

Let me try one on shape:

Contra

Sorry bro, I'm just not seeing it so far. I looked at 15 verses that some say the earth is flat, but none of them gave me pause. Unlike UR verses for instance.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bi...cal-verses/bible-verses-about-flat-earth/?amp

Note that I'm not out to disprove it. Really it's more like I'm looking to be convinced.

 

[ozso]

It is funny how you will say (write) what you just said, as gospel truth. In reality all you are doing is repeating either what you have read or watched on tv or a computer, and actually have no personal proof that what you believe (said/wrote) is true.

I am sure the same can be said, that you more than likely believe that men have traveled to the moon, etc...

With that said, now you will take areas of The Bible and bend them all sorts of ways to match science version of creation. Instead of simply taking the accounts given in The Bible as they are.

Could you refrain from personal attacks and critiques please? I'm here to discuss a topic, not to defend myself. Thanks.

 

[JacksBratt]

Try Auguste Piccard, pioneered 23km.
Auguste Piccard — The First Man to Reach the Stratosphere

Reported as describing the view of earth as 'a flat disc with upturned edge', possibly on an earlier flight.

Dr. Auguste Piccard’s Record-Breaking Balloon Flights

And what about Jesus Christ? Didn't the devil take him to an exceedingly high mountain to show him all the kingdoms of the earth?

Would that be the highest vantage point on earth mentioned in scripture?

This quote is on Wiki... the "flat disk with upturned edges"......well, it was but keeps getting changed... I added it back several times.

 

[JacksBratt]

To say the Earth is flat is reducing/limiting the powers of God

Actually.... for a creator to create a "snow globe" terrarium, the size of this earth... Is still a feat of awesome power.

Thing is, and I've said it before, flat or globe... doesn't change my life at all.

However, for some, who started out as atheists...and researched the FE idea... and came to believe it... Changed their lives as it destroys evolution and lead them to the only other possibiblity... God is real. Then.. to salvation.

This image is much easier to accept from a biblical standpoint. IMO. All the biblical descriptions of the earth... point to this more than a spinning ball flying through space, orbitting a sun as it flies through space... while a moon orbits it.

It also puts God very very close as He has us for His footstool.

Easier to flood the inside of a snowglobe than a sphere... which would remove the need to say "oh.. it wasn't the entire globe.. just a small area of the earth that flooded"...

 

[ozso]

While the earth rotates and orbits the sun, it is still firmly fixed in those courses. The earth never gets too close or far from the sun. It always maintains a perfect fixed position. Days are always 24 hours long. There's no deviation in that. So the earth is fixed to that pattern. It does not deviate or wobble. To me there are descriptions of the earth that go beyond what mankind should have known at the time, which to me shows that scripture was inspired by God.

While there are those who came to believe in God though the bible describing it as flat from their point of view, I'm sure many would say that if the bible really is actually saying the earth is flat, then to them that would be proof the bible is false and keep them from believing in God.

The reason why I believe the earth is a globe, is simply because of the large number of people who have observed the earth from very high altitudes to out in space, and have all seen globular earth.

 

[ozso]

You mean one of these?

Forgive me, I am sitting in the seat of the scoffers. Look at that dinky rubbish lol. Almost as well-designed as this:

I hope you're aware that some 98% of international communications go via undersea cable?

What I know is you can see satellites from your backyard using a telescope. During daytime I saw a satellite once with my bare eyes. A coworker standing beside me saw it too. It was either a satellite or an alien spaceship. I went with satellite.

As for the moon landings, I've actually taken the skeptic's position on CF and other forums, so I'm not totally hopeless lol.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

What I know is you can see satellites from your backyard using a telescope. During daytime I saw a satellite once with my bare eyes. A coworker standing beside me saw it too. It was either a satellite or an alien spaceship. I went with satellite.

As for the moon landings, I've actually taken the skeptic's position on CF and other forums, so I'm not totally hopeless lol.

Really? I don't know of any visible satellites, although there's supposed to be some 20,000+ man made objects orbiting earth. There are high altitude balloons, shooting stars, signs and wonders and other phenomena. But satellites?

Good eyes. Let's see, a satellite is maybe half the size of a commercial jetplane, and said to be anywhere from 400Km to 40000 km away (from memory). A jetplane cruising altitude is what, 3-6 km. At higher altitudes only the contrail is visible. Fair enough?

Good to hear you now have eyes to see the lunar lander for what it is: a grade school art project, or a homeless tweaker's shelter. Do you ever look at the moon nestled in the clouds and think 'Those clouds are 250,000 miles away?'

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Sorry bro, I'm just not seeing it so far. I looked at 15 verses that some say the earth is flat, but none of them gave me pause. Unlike UR verses for instance.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-about-flat-earth/?amp

Note that I'm not out to disprove it. Really it's more like I'm looking to be convinced.

In pre-modern societies, the flat and stationary earth was a given, it was so self-evident as to barely be worth mentioning. Scripture proceeds on the assumption of a flat, stationary and enclosed earth. None of the natural descriptions or figures of speech can work for the modern cosmology, which is based on the so-called 'Copernican Principle,' i.e. God loves them little Martians and Jesus was crucified and raised over there too, so whatever...

No rest day or night, no absolutes, man the measure of all things, a near-infinite material cosmos, stars are planets are pagan gods are galaxies, dreams of man's conquest, Big Bang etc etc...just Babylonian idolatry of the basest kind, sorcery and magic, science falsely so-called, foolish worldly wisdom.

If theology is king of sciences, then cosmology is its queen. And how well-matched is the god of eternal punishment with the goddess of the implacable cold dark wilderness.

Woe to you o earth and sea:
Globe earth mathematical calculations ... 666

 

[ozso]

Really? I don't know of any visible satellites, although there's supposed to be some 20,000+ man made objects orbiting earth. There are high altitude balloons, shooting stars, signs and wonders and other phenomena. But satellites?

Good eyes. Let's see, a satellite is maybe half the size of a commercial jetplane, and said to be anywhere from 400Km to 40000 km away (from memory). A jetplane cruising altitude is what, 3-6 km. At higher altitudes only the contrail is visible. Fair enough?

Good to hear you now have eyes to see the lunar lander for what it is: a grade school art project, or a homeless tweaker's shelter. Do you ever look at the moon nestled in the clouds and think 'Those clouds are 250,000 miles away?'

Well like I said, either the metallic object I saw was a satellite or it was an alien space vehicle.

I don't have any issues regarding the lunar lander. I just question the ability to go to the moon several times in a row between 69 and 72, and it seeming totally impossible from that point forward for 50 years. From a 70s perspective, there was supposed to be a moon colony by 2000. They say it got too expensive to be able to go to the moon any longer, yet umpteen space shuttle missions were doable.

And the bottom line fact most everyone will agree on, is the main reason why the US went to the moon was to win the "space race" against the USSR.

Now while on one level I challenge moon landings, on another level I think it's just as unlikely they were faked.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Well like I said, either the metallic object I saw was a satellite or it was an alien space vehicle.

It might be hard to persuade you otherwise. Say, you didn't happen to get abducted and impregnated by aliens by any chance? That was a fairly common experience in the 70s and 80s by all accounts.

I don't have any issues regarding the lunar lander.

Use those superzoom eyes to look at it closely..curtain rids, tinfoil, cardboard, ticky-tacky. Same as 'satellite' construction.

I just question the ability to go to the moon several times in a row between 69 and 72, and it seeming totally impossible from that point forward for 50 years. From a 70s perspective, there was supposed to be a moon colony by 2000. They say it got too expensive to be able to go to the moon any longer, yet umpteen space shuttle missions were doable.

I especially liked that mission where they played golf on the moon. Remember that? 'Golf shot, Sheppard!' Even mocking Christ in the names they pick.

And the bottom line fact most everyone will agree on, is the main reason why the US went to the moon was to win the "space race" against the USSR.

Most can agree, but it's not a fact. The 'Cold War' was just a lie for public consumption, the usual fear-based 'us and them' thing. You might need to read up on Prof Anthony Sutton's books on Wall St and the Bolshevik Revolution to really see the forensic proof - receipts, wire transfers, those sort of things, evidencing the controlling interests of international commercial cartels such as the Rockefellers and Standard Oil. Someone's got to finance these things, you know.

Now while on one level I challenge moon landings, on another level I think it's just as unlikely they were faked.

[Sigh!]

 

[ozso]

In pre-modern societies, the flat and stationary earth was a given, it was so self-evident as to barely be worth mentioning. Scripture proceeds on the assumption of a flat, stationary and enclosed earth. None of the natural descriptions or figures of speech can work for the modern cosmology, which is based on the so-called 'Copernican Principle,' i.e. God loves them little Martians and Jesus was crucified and raised over there too, so whatever...

No rest day or night, no absolutes, man the measure of all things, a near-infinite material cosmos, stars are planets are pagan gods are galaxies, dreams of man's conquest, Big Bang etc etc...just Babylonian idolatry of the basest kind, sorcery and magic, science falsely so-called, foolish worldly wisdom.

If theology is king of sciences, then cosmology is its queen. And how well-matched is the god of eternal punishment with the goddess of the implacable cold dark wilderness.

Woe to you o earth and sea:
Globe earth mathematical calculations ... 666

The problem is, I'm always going to be focused on one simple fact. Many private citizens have seen the curvature of the earth in high altitude commercial planes (the Concord flew at 60,00 feet for example). And then there's all the non-government non-NASA private citizens who have gone into space via Blue Origin who have seen a spherical earth. And that number is going increase greatly as buying a ticket for a short space flight becomes available.

 

[ozso]

It might be hard to persuade you otherwise. Say, you didn't happen to get abducted and impregnated by aliens by any chance? That was a fairly common experience in the 70s and 80s by all accounts.

I'm not saying I thought it was an alien space craft. But what else besides a satellite could it be? It definitely wasn't a weather balloon. It had the shape of a satellite. I had 20/20 plus vision at the time via eyeglasses. My coworker was just as bewildered by what we were seeing at first too. After looking at it hovering in the sky for a while I said, "it must be a satellite".

Use those superzoom eyes to look at it closely..curtain rids, tinfoil, cardboard, ticky-tacky. Same as 'satellite' construction.

My six years older brother was a total space geek. He had lunar module models and diagrams etc. So my knowledge regarding its construction is a bit deeper than the average person. Plus with him practically being a genius when it comes to aeronautics and such, he would have picked up on it being structurally incapable of doing its job if that had been the case.

Are you thinking the LM and satellite you posted a picture of look flimsy because it looks like they're made of foil? That's just mylar wrapped around them to provide thermal insulation. Blankets that look like they're made of foil, are really a sheet if mylar. The LM was wrapped in several sheets of mylar. Mylar is a lot tougher than it looks. Mylar blanket image.

I especially liked that mission where they played golf on the moon. Remember that? 'Golf shot, Sheppard!' Even mocking Christ in the names they pick.

Shepard is just a very common surname that's a variation of shepherd. There were many sheep hearders, just as there were many blacksmiths, hence Smith also being a very common surname.

Most can agree, but it's not a fact. The 'Cold War' was just a lie for public consumption, the usual fear-based 'us and them' thing. You might need to read up on Prof Anthony Sutton's books on Wall St and the Bolshevik Revolution to really see the forensic proof - receipts, wire transfers, those sort of things, evidencing the controlling interests of international commercial cartels such as the Rockefellers and Standard Oil. Someone's got to finance these things, you know.



[Sigh!]

 

[prodromos]

Globe earth mathematical calculations ... 666

We've debunked this before.