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Is Socialism Anti-Christian?

Discussion in 'General Political Discussion' started by Justified_By_Christ_Alone, Aug 15, 2020.

  1. Justified_By_Christ_Alone

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    I'm talking about the economic system of left wing socialism specifically, I'm not talking about social liberalism (pro-choice, non-traditional marriage, etc.) which attaches itself to left wing socialism nowadays and clearly goes against the bible. But is the system where the government redistributes wealth, provides social assistance, and is highly involved in economic decisions and the social system unbiblical and anti-christian? If so can someone explain why? Is it bad because it's as if the government is replacing God and makes it easier for them to take our rights and freedoms away given they have so much control?

    For myself, I'm more of a centrist if you had to place me somewhere. I'm very against abortion and the LGBT agenda, but on other matters as long as it doesn't get out of hand and out of control, I believe it's smart to have the government interfere in some cases or provide help to those who need it and can't provide for themselves. Some government spending is sometimes needed. I believe even though the government is corrupt, God can use the government in some situations for his purposes. I think in biblical times it was like that with the kingdoms and stuff.
     
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  2. Soldier of the Cross

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    That's a good question.
    The pilgrims at first tried a socialist way of doing things, but realized it was not going to work, because everyone wanted to take from the common storehouse, but not many wanted to work. The same happened in Jamestown I believe.
     
  3. Albion

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    Is there anything in the Ten Commandments that prohibits theft/stealing? Does it matter if someone else does it for you?
     
  4. eleos1954

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    What is an example of socialism?

    Common ownership under socialism may take shape through technocratic, oligarchic, totalitarian, democratic or even voluntary rule. Prominent historical examples of socialist countries include the former Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. Contemporary examples include Cuba, Venezuela, and China.

    If one does not know history they are doomed to repeat it.

    What we need is smaller government.
     
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  5. Justified_By_Christ_Alone

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    If taxes were something God was against, why would it be made known in scripture it was a thing in biblical times and why wouldn't he speak against it specifically? In fact the Lord even said to render unto Caesar what is his. I see taxes as a thing you just can't avoid, they have been around since the start of humanity. How can you get rid of taxes completely? The only thing we can do is manage how it is used, if spending is responsible, and actually knowing where the tax money goes, back to us or to corporations?
     
  6. Albion

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    The Bible and Jesus in particular taught that it is right to be obedient to the higher powers, meaning in that case the Roman Empire and government in general.

    But as to whether it is right to take from one person to enrich another, you know that this is forbidden by the Ten Commandments (and elsewhere), just as envy itself is.
     
  7. Justified_By_Christ_Alone

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    I would agree but I just want to hear other positions and perspectives. In the US you have smaller government than any other western nation and yet many people can't afford health care or get left behind, it's something to think about... I think rather than small vs big government the focus should be on practical and honest government. There needs to be a balance. But it is unfortunate governments today do not actually serve the people (who pay them with taxes) but abuse their power. I just see it as a sign we're in the end days. Because back in the day there was a lot less corruption in these areas, globalism is to blame as well.
     
  8. Albion

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    What makes you think so?
     
  9. Justified_By_Christ_Alone

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    Because it's the only country without public health care and education.
     
  10. Justified_By_Christ_Alone

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    Ok but socialism does not equal high taxes, in fact it's the opposite in many cases. There were socialist countries in the past that had the lowest taxes in the world. There are today as well, Cuba is an example (that's why their infrastructure is so bad). Your tax money doesn't just go to your neighbour if that's what you're worried about it, it primarily goes towards infrastructure which benefits you directly. Such as bridges, roads, etc.

    Sweden and Finland are not socialist, they are social democratic countries that are very much capitalist. I am against this type of system as well and we can see these kinds of countries were first on board to go cashless which is very telling. Plus they have the highest taxes. We don't even have to talk about taxes, I am talking about the concept of government interference in the market and the social system and the government being involved to help people. You don't need taxes to do that as proven unless you want good solid infrastructure. You can use smart and responsible spending to do that.
     
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  11. eleos1954

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    Do you have statistic or references to support this?

    I would agree with this .... but honesty in government went out the window many many many years ago .... like right after George Washington ... and has been going downhill since LOL
     
  12. Albion

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    That's supposed to be the sum total of a nation's government? Besides, those are two items we DO have!
     
  13. Albion

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    Socialism's most fundamental point is the redistribution of income by government force.
     
  14. solid_core

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    Socialism is not stealing. Socialism is working for common good and sharing.

    Communism stole private property after the World War II and made it common, if thats what you are referring to. But those times were weird almost everywhere in the world. State's infrastructure, agriculture etc had to be quickly reconstructed, because it was destroyed by massive bombings and wars. Communism is a dictature and dictatures are common in extreme times. Western Europe was massively helped by the United States to get their economies quickly recovered, so they managed it without a dictature.
     
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  15. Albion

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    Let's compromise.

    It is stealing, but allegedly for the common good. ;)

    By the way, anything done by any government is always allegedly for the common good.
     
  16. solid_core

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    How is it stealing? Is Norway or Sweden or Denmark or Canada stealing?
     
  17. Albion

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    Taking the property of one person by force in order to reward someone else or one's own self with it is theft. That is the premise, purpose, and record of Socialism.

    According to your profile, you are a resident of Austria. If so, the country has had a big dose of both National Socialism and Soviet Socialism in the not too distant past. How well did either of those experiments in government work out, would you say? And would you like either of them restored to power?
     
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  18. solid_core

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    You mean taxes?

    Jesus was not against taxes. So its not stealing.
     
  19. Albion

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    What makes you think that Jesus "was not against taxes?" What he said was to pay them, not that he admired them. :rolleyes:
     
  20. solid_core

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    Not sure what you mean by admiration, he said "what is of Caesar, give to Caesar".

    If its of Caesar, its not stealing. Its actually stealing to keep the money (not to pay taxes).
     
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