FreeGrace2
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No, I'm not. Your saying that I'm saying that is only your opinion, which is wrong. God is the One who makes men alive. And He quickens (makes alive)those who believe. Eph 2:5 compared with 2:8.So, when said that way, let me ask you this: whose faith? If you say the man's faith, then you are saying that the man makes himself alive.
I just proved that Paul equated being made alive with being saved (2:5), and then in 2:8 he noted that salvation is through faith. Faith precedes salvation, and Calvinists admit to this.If you say God's faith, then it is God who makes the man alive. Everything God does is by faith. Jesus proved that.
Glad we agree on this!Bottom line is, it is GOD who makes them alive. All by Himself.
Some Calvinists do claim that God is the cause of man's faith. However, comparing Eph 2:5 and 2:8 shows that faith precedes salvation, and being made alive is equated with being saved.I am not saying that God believes for the man, but in the order of how things are stated, being made alive comes first.
This is just a very tired red herring. Jesus refutes that in Jn 5:25 - Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.Dead men do not believe. Dead men don't do anything.
There it is: the dead will hear and the dead ones who hear will live.
Note: when Jesus spoke of the "dead", He wasn't speaking of physical death. I'm sure that's what's confusing your view.
Wrong. I've refuted your view soundly. Review this very post.Therefore Regeneration MUST precede faith in order for the man to be able to believe. That is a FACT.
First, the opposite is true; I've just shown you from Eph 2:5 and 8 that faith precedes being made alive (salvation).Stamp your foot and insist all you want, I've just shown you that this passage teaches that very thing. You don't like it because it isn't stated in so many words, and also because you don't like the idea that man is not in control in any fashion in the process of Salvation.
Second, I'm always amused when others try to force on me what I don't like. Especially when they have no clue as to what I don't like.
Exactly! He saves ONLY those who believe. And He's pleased to do so. 1 Cor 1:21. Yep. I actually have a verse that SAYS what I believe. Unlike RT.When God decides you will be saved, you WILL be saved, and He does not need your permission to do so.
Really? What verse is there that SAYS that? Please share. Or ignore the request when you can't find one.And yes, He saves men against their will, because their will is no impediment to God having His way with them.
I've done more than that. I refuted your view.Deal with it!
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