Is Scripture MISSING Dogmas?

[MoreCoffee]

Wrong again, Peter the Apostle to the circumcision is saying that the holy scriptures are more sure than some guy claiming to hear the voice of God audibly.

Of course you can't hear this because then it upholds the written word of God which easily exposes the lies of the enemy who can't stand the truth.

The quote above does not correspond to what the passage says.

For when he received honour and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased," we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain. And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. (2 Peter 1:17-21 ESV)

 

[Standing Up]

Originally Posted by CaliforniaJosiah View Post
" It is a foundational, dogmatic insistence in some Christian communities/denominations that while the Bible is inerrant and inspired by God, that it nonetheless is MISSING a whole bunch of really super important things that Jesus taught and that we must know and believe....-snip-"

Can you show us were scripture says it is not missing dogma? Or are you simply railing against RC?

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

"We ourselves heard this voice from heaven, when we were with him on the holy mountain. So we have confirmation of the words of the prophets; and you will be right to pay attention to it as to a lamp for lighting a way through the dark, until the dawn comes and the morning star rises in your minds. At the same time, we must recognise that the interpretation of scriptural prophecy is never a matter for the individual. For no prophecy ever came from human initiative. When people spoke for God it was the Holy Spirit that moved them." (2 Peter 1:18-21)

It is the voice from heaven that is the confirmation of the words of the prophets.

Perhaps.... but it would be the WORDS of the PROPHETS - not of some denomination, church, sect, cult.

And there is nothing in 2 Peter 1:18-21 about any specific church, denomination, sect or cult. And nothing about how Jesus (and thus all 12 to 14 Apostles and thus all believers in the First Century) taught Dogmas that the Holy Spirit forgot to put into His Scripture (or perhaps in His Divine Wisdom chose not to).


BTW, I think this is a reference to the Transfiguration... and has nothing to do with the claim outlined in the opening post that is so foundational in a couple of denominations.



A blessed Holy Week to you and yours....


- Josiah

 

[Standing Up]

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaJosiah View Post
" It is a foundational, dogmatic insistence in some Christian communities/denominations that while the Bible is inerrant and inspired by God, that it nonetheless is MISSING a whole bunch of really super important things that Jesus taught and that we must know and believe....-snip-"

Can you show us were scripture says it is not missing dogma? Or are you simply railing against RC?

So far, your claim is baseless. You have NOTHING - not anything whatsoever - to support your insistence that scripture is not missing a whole bunch of really super important things.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

You have NOTHING - not anything whatsoever - to support your insistence that scripture is not missing a whole bunch of really super important things.

Quote me. Quote me making that insistence.

Read post # 1. THAT is what we are to discuss, that "spin." Foundational to a couple of denominations.


A blessed Holy Week to you and yours....


- Josiah

 

[Souldier]

I dont think there is anything we need that isnt in the bible. Does the bible answer every question? Perhaps not the way we would like it to but faith is the answer to the unknown and that is taught in the bible. We dont need to have an answer to everything, we dont need fallible dogmas. We need to follow the simple path in the bible and walk by faith, not sight. As far as instructions are concerned the bible has all we need. Dogmas are fallible and unnecessary, they are nothing more than a distraction away from the path we have been given. Its things like this that cause division and debate.

 

[Standing Up]

Quote me. Quote me making that insistence.

Read post # 1. THAT is what we are to discuss, that "spin." Foundational to a couple of denominations.


A blessed Holy Week to you and yours....


- Josiah

from OP- 3. I find no credible reason to believe that the NT is MISSING super important, critical DOGMAS taught by Jesus plus all 12-14 of the Apostles. No credible reason to believe the whole "God messed up.... God forgot" insistence. "

Why? Do you have any reason to think this? Where does scripture say "I am not missing dogmas taught by Jesus plus all 12-14 of the Apostles?"

 

[ThatTrueLight]

The quote above does not correspond to what the passage says.

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Deny it til the cows arrive, you think that THAT is going to change anything?

For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


And once again for all to see.. who would even begin to DENY this simple truth who loves the LORD and His written word?

 

[ThatTrueLight]

The who is told to us in the parable of the sower and it's an enemy.

Why is another story and the topic of this thread basically.. so that men can basically sell the masses anything and everything.

Why do you think that they're a gazzillion dollar entity..

 

[BobRyan]

I dont think there is anything we need that isnt in the bible. Does the bible answer every question? Perhaps not the way we would like it to but faith is the answer to the unknown and that is taught in the bible. We dont need to have an answer to everything, we dont need fallible dogmas. We need to follow the simple path in the bible and walk by faith, not sight. As far as instructions are concerned the bible has all we need. Dogmas are fallible and unnecessary, they are nothing more than a distraction away from the path we have been given. Its things like this that cause division and debate.

There is nothing we need to know that the Holy Spirit does not know.

The Holy Spirit is the author of the Bible and the Bible says in 1Thess 5 not to turn your back prophets that the Holy Spirit sends.

And since the Bible is the product of the Holy Spirit "not men" - it is infinite in depth - we will be discovering new levels of truth as time goes by.

But ALL truth all doctrine is to be tested "sola scriptura"

 

[Root of Jesse]

I dont think there is anything we need that isnt in the bible. Does the bible answer every question? Perhaps not the way we would like it to but faith is the answer to the unknown and that is taught in the bible. We dont need to have an answer to everything, we dont need fallible dogmas. We need to follow the simple path in the bible and walk by faith, not sight. As far as instructions are concerned the bible has all we need. Dogmas are fallible and unnecessary, they are nothing more than a distraction away from the path we have been given. Its things like this that cause division and debate.

I don't know about Protestant denominations, but Catholics do not have any fallible dogmas. You, as an outsider, may disagree with some or all of our dogmas, but that doesn't make them fallible, it makes you fallible.

Fallen man creates debate and division. I can get with you there...just look at all the divisions in Christianity!

 

[Root of Jesse]

Deny it til the cows arrive, you think that THAT is going to change anything?

For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.


And once again for all to see.. who would even begin to DENY this simple truth who loves the LORD and His written word?

Not denying what's written at all. Denying how you interpret it, yes.

 

[fhansen]

I dont think there is anything we need that isnt in the bible. Does the bible answer every question? Perhaps not the way we would like it to but faith is the answer to the unknown and that is taught in the bible. We dont need to have an answer to everything, we dont need fallible dogmas. We need to follow the simple path in the bible and walk by faith, not sight. As far as instructions are concerned the bible has all we need. Dogmas are fallible and unnecessary, they are nothing more than a distraction away from the path we have been given. Its things like this that cause division and debate.

Do you believe that God exists? Your answer is nothing different from or less than dogma. Do you believe that Jesus is God, that He worked miracles, that He rose from the dead? Do you believe in the Apostles creed? Every point of faith stated there is something that someone else somewhere could have an issue with.

And all one has to do to cause division and debate is state their opinion of what the bible says.

 

[Souldier]

There is nothing we need to know that the Holy Spirit does not know.

The Holy Spirit is the author of the Bible and the Bible says in 1Thess 5 not to turn your back prophets that the Holy Spirit sends.

And since the Bible is the product of the Holy Spirit "not men" - it is infinite in depth - we will be discovering new levels of truth as time goes by.

But ALL truth all doctrine is to be tested "sola scriptura"

I agree. I just think that there are things we will not know and thats where faith comes in. We walk by faith not sight. We don't know what heaven will look like exactly, for example, but we walk by faith that it will be better than this world because we do know that much about it. We walk by faith not sight as paul teaches us. I happen to think that the path of faith in following Christ is much simpler than denomination make it to be. I happen to think that we can learn by ourself all that is needed. I think we can help each other learn but i dont think we need a Pope, an apostle, or a denomination. I think the Lord guides us and we can learn from each other, we will know the voice of truth, the masters voice when we hear it, if we are sincerely seeking Him.

 

[Souldier]

I don't know about Protestant denominations, but Catholics do not have any fallible dogmas. You, as an outsider, may disagree with some or all of our dogmas, but that doesn't make them fallible, it makes you fallible.

Fallen man creates debate and division. I can get with you there...just look at all the divisions in Christianity!

You know that the RCC has had fallible dogmas in the past. You know that your church has not always taught things correctly. And its still true today. But please feel free to disagree. Have a good day ROJ

 

[Souldier]

Do you believe that God exists? Your answer is nothing different from or less than dogma. Do you believe that Jesus is God, that He worked miracles, that He rose from the dead? Do you believe in the Apostles creed? Every point of faith stated there is something that someone else somewhere could have an issue with.

Dogmas are something we are referring to that is outside the bible, something not found in scripture, and please interpret my response that way so there is no confusion concerning my comments. Dogmas have proven themselves fallible but everyone agrees on the scriptures. Therefore i follow only scripture.

 

[fhansen]

Dogmas are something we are referring to that is outside the bible, something not found in scripture, and please interpret my response that way so there is no confusion concerning my comments. Dogmas have proven themselves fallible but everyone agrees on the scriptures. Therefore i follow only scripture.

Everyone agrees on the Scriptures????? Every Christian should should agree that Scripture is true but they certainly don't necessarily agree on the truths it contains.

 

[Souldier]

Everyone agrees on the Scriptures????? Every Christian should should agree that Scripture is true but they certainly don't necessarily agree on the truths it contains.

all the more reason not to add Dogmas to that equation.

 

[ThatTrueLight]

Not denying what's written at all. Denying how you interpret it, yes.

Because the men in your assembly are somehow better than everyone else right? Where do you come up with this stuff?

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Everyone agrees on the Scriptures????? Every Christian should should agree that Scripture is true but they certainly don't necessarily agree on the truths it contains.

... and even more on the truths it does NOT contain but nonetheless, self alone somehow "knows" Jesus taught it - and thus is truth. See the opening post.


A blessed Holy Week to you and yours...


- Josiah