Is Satan behind the division of the many denominations we find? Or, is it the Lord?

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I have assume you are like Luther and see nothing wrong with RCC doctrine, Luther was a good Catholic and was kicked out. There is little difference between RCC and Lutheran doctrine. Lutherans may not see themselves as being in place of God or that this world as it is, is the kingdom of God.

That makes no sense. What got Luther kicked out was sticking to what the Word of God teaches. He refuted the gross false teachings of the RCC.

Luther was not simply a "good catholic." He was a real Catholic, as the Catholic church was at its inception...

Peter foresaw what was to come of the RCC becoming corrupted and warned even his own congregation.

"But there were false prophets also among the people,
even as there shall be false teachers among you,
who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying
the Lord who bought them, and bring upon themselves
swift destruction."
2 Peter 2:1
 
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" I have become its servant by the commission God gave me
to present to you the word of God in its fullness— the mystery
that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now
disclosed to the Lord’s people."
Colossians 1:25-26

OT is only building blocks for constructing some sound doctrines. And, not all of the NT is simply a witness for the OT. For we have been given mystery doctrines that no one saw coming until God raised up Paul to bear witness to them.

No pastor can preach without "some" errors. Those pastors who have trained themselves to know the protocol to follow to extract sound teachings will be like a plate of food placed before you. The listener must choose what to eat, and what to put on the side of the plate. What he teaches will make you strong spiritually as long as you make the right choices (led by the Spirit)... No one is 100% correct. For no one has all knowledge. We all make mistakes. The protection comes from gaining enough sound teachings in the power of grace (filling of the Spirit).

A bad pastor is one who teaches false doctrines as his main thrust. He is a junk food factory. He as a rule is like having a plate put before you designed to titillate and get you to devour junk food that makes the listeners spiritually weak, obese, and sick.


Jesus followed protocols and He is the example to follow. Jesus read the OT first and then offered interpretation which the Jews could have disputed but they never did. The problem I see is Satan has been deceiving people for at least the last 2000 years and the deceptions accrue and are deeply embedded in Christian doctrine; had pasters always gone back to the source that accumulating would not have happened. Being deceived isn't a sin but overcoming is required and the main charge against people expecting salvation is Lawlessness so lawfulness is required even when deceived.
 
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Jesus followed protocols and He is the example to follow. Jesus read the OT first and then offered interpretation which the Jews could have disputed but they never did.

Sparow? Jesus taught as a 'rabbi.' He taught Jews, as a Jew would. Rabbis were known to have their disciples that followed these rabbis.

He was not teaching church doctrine. Jesus was the perfect Jew. He did not simply teach the OT first. The OT Scriptures were all they had when Jesus walked the earth.
 
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That makes no sense. What got Luther kicked out was sticking to what the Word of God teaches. He refuted the gross false teachings of the RCC.

Luther was not simply a "good catholic." He was a real Catholic, as the Catholic church was at its inception...

Peter foresaw what was to come of the RCC becoming corrupted and warned even his own congregation.

"But there were false prophets also among the people,
even as there shall be false teachers among you,
who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying
the Lord who bought them, and bring upon themselves
swift destruction."
2 Peter 2:1

I do not know everything about Luther but the fact that someone disagrees with a false prophet does not automatically put them on God's side. One of the things Luther go excited was a forged will that the Papacy used to inherit the Roman empire; and there was that debate, "salvation by works verses salvation by faith", where neither was right. It is not just a matter of false teaching, the charge against the beast and Jezebel on it's back is blaspheme.
 
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I do not know everything about Luther but the fact that someone disagrees with a false prophet does not automatically put them on God's side. One of the things Luther go excited was a forged will that the Papacy used to inherit the Roman empire; and there was that debate, "salvation by works verses salvation by faith", were neither was right. It is not just a matter of false teaching, the charge against the beast and Jezebel on it's back is blaspheme.
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Sparow? Jesus taught as a 'rabbi.' He taught Jews, as a Jew would. Rabbis were known to have their disciples that followed these rabbis.

He was not teaching church doctrine. Jesus was the perfect Jew. He did not simply teach the OT first. The OT Scriptures were all they had when Jesus walked the earth.


Jesus never preached any religion .He preached Himself.
 
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" I have become its servant by the commission God gave me
to present to you the word of God in its fullness— the mystery
that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now
disclosed to the Lord’s people."
Colossians 1:25-26

OT is only building blocks for constructing some sound doctrines. And, not all of the NT is simply a witness for the OT. For we have been given mystery doctrines that no one saw coming until God raised up Paul to bear witness to them.

No pastor can preach without "some" errors. Those pastors who have trained themselves to know the protocol to follow to extract sound teachings will be like a plate of food placed before you. The listener must choose what to eat, and what to put on the side of the plate. What he teaches will make you strong spiritually as long as you make the right choices (led by the Spirit)... No one is 100% correct. For no one has all knowledge. We all make mistakes. The protection comes from gaining enough sound teachings in the power of grace (filling of the Spirit).

A bad pastor is one who teaches false doctrines as his main thrust. He is a junk food factory. He as a rule is like having a plate put before you designed to titillate and get you to devour junk food that makes the listeners spiritually weak, obese, and sick.


We certainly are on different pages and I have lost track of the pivotal point where we departed from the topic. We have different theologies, different scenarios and different paradigms; but there isn't any reason why we cannot understand each other's point of view, without considering who is right.

Regarding false doctrine: You appear to believe that the old covenant and the new covenant are separate entities.

I believe there is one covenant which may be renewed; A standard form that may be renewed, and has been renewed many times with Israel, a standard form that may be reapplied and is reapplied in the new covenant such that Jesus has said not even grammar is changed in the covenant/Law.

In the new covenant reapplied Jesus is the High Priest not Aaron or a Pharisee, Jesus is the sacrifice not the sheep, the disciples of Christ are the priesthood not the Levites, baptism is a sanctuary service and the sanctuary services are performed once during the perceived interval between the comings of Christ. This is the old covenant partly fulfilled or partly confirmed; fully confirmed is Christ's return and the remaining prophesies concerning Him are fulfilled and the Law is written on the on the hearts of those saved without them having to learn the Law. The covenant of God is summarised as: God will Provide the Kingdom of God and salvation as a reward for those who enter into His covenant.

Most Christian faiths are centred around “the Law abrogated”; the old covenant is the Law; their covenant is the Law-not and this is strange for a God who does not change.

They say one cannot earn salvation; it is true one cannot earn salvation by keeping the Law; that is the Law can appear to be kept without entering into the covenant; but entering into the covenant includes keeping the Law.

It is not that the pharisees could not earn their salvation by works, it was there works were not unto salvation, was not the covenant.

In Mar 7:6-13 Christ declares them to be the slaves of their own man-made tradition instead of obeying the Word of God

They say, “Jesus kept the Law perfectly so that do not have to.” I am not aware that the scriptures say so. Matt 5:17 and Luke 24:44 do not refer to keeping perfectly whether they be ten or 600, these verses refer to confirming the covenant or bring the covenant to fruition; Dan 9:26-27. Many think verse 27 refers to Satan but Satan would not k[make desolate because of abominations.

Matthew 5:17 (NKJV)
17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfil.

Luke 24:44 (NKJV)
44 Then He said to them, "These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me."

Daniel 9:26-27 (NKJV)
26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."

So we have two sets of opposites, the Law or the Law-not and the seventieth week belongs to Christ or the seventieth week is thrown down to the end of time and given to Satan.

God does not give us two choices; the second choices are concoctions of men as with the Pharisees before them.

Futurism begins as opologetics at the council of Trent, throwing the anti-Christ outside the time frame of the Papacy so that the Papacy could not be seen as the Beast or any other bad guy.
 
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According to the topic, it is my opinion that 'institution' is the TOOL that Satan uses to separate us or to convince us to worship something 'other than God'. Churches are nothing but 'institution'. That is 'why' there are so many different denominations with so many different beliefs.

Think about it: Denominations can't even agree upon the most basic words of the Bible. Baptism, repentance, forgiveness, love, trinity, faith/works...................the list is practically endless. Each denomination considering DIFFERENT ideas or beliefs concerning basic doctrine. They do NOT consider themselves in agreement with each other except in their supposed acceptance of Christ as Savior. But they can't even agree who Christ IS.

The problem with institution is that Satan can use it to present himself as whatever one is LOOKING for. For each man can find what he is looking for if he LOOKS for it.

Question: if you did not KNOW God. And you were introduced into an institution where Satan was PRETENDING to be God. How would you know the difference if he introduced himself to you AS GOD? If he gave you what you were looking for, you would accept him AS GOD. Not KNOWING the difference.

So, in essence, my answer to the question would be 'yes', it is Satan who is responsible for all the different denominations. A tool he has used to SEPARATE mankind on the issue of God instead of uniting them. Yet the uniting has come and most don't even recognize it. The uniting is a uniting AGAINST God and FOR Satan. And it doesn't matter how different a denominations beliefs or practices are, so long as they are DIFFERENT than the 'truth'.

Just like Satan himself, he doesn't mind what you CALL him, so long as you worship him instead of God.
He would like for you to call him God or Christ, but you can call him Tom and he doesn't mind so long as your faith is placed in HIM instead of God through His Son.

The Bible warns us that Satan, in the future, is going to set himself up in the Temple AS GOD and that the 'world' is going to accept him AS GOD. You don't think this is going to be an 'instant event' do you? He has been working towards the goal of presenting himself to humanity AS GOD since he was 'cast down' to this world. And he has already succeeded in leading MOST MEN to believe he IS GOD. And the greatest tool he has used to accomplish this is 'the churches'. If this were not true, then ALL 'churches' would be teaching and practicing the 'same things' from the SAME Bible.

Blessings,

MEC
 
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Think about it: Denominations can't even agree upon the most basic words of the Bible. Baptism, repentance, forgiveness, love, trinity, faith/works...................the list is practically endless. Each denomination considering DIFFERENT ideas or beliefs concerning basic doctrine. They do NOT consider themselves in agreement with each other except in their supposed acceptance of Christ as Savior. But they can't even agree who Christ IS.

Its all about the Word of God.


In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:1
 
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