Is Racism a Sin?

[Ken-1122]

Considering that you seem to believe that it doesn't count as long as a nonsensical challenge is included along with it, that doesn't mean much.

No it means until last week, nobody ever complained about being told to go back to their country because it was never an issue; now since Trump posts silly tweet, now everybody and their mother is claiming this has been a problem forever and they are victims.

You identify as an atheist. Do you believe that atheists are generally marginalized in America compared to Christians?

Some places yes other places no; it all depends on where you look

If so, would you be convinced otherwise if someone pointed out a place or situation in America where Christians had it worse off than atheists?

There are places in America where Christians have it worse off than atheists. Like I said, it all depends on where you look

So how does adding that part suddenly make it not racist?

What makes it not racist is the fact that race was not mentioned or even eluded to

As I said, race has no biological basis. People can classify 'Hispanic' as a race, or say that they belong to multiple races. That's my entire point.

And they would be wrong. Only a person who doesn’t know the difference between race and culture would do something like that.

What about the USA, the country that the other 3 were all born in?

The USA is not a broken-down crime infested nation

 

[mama2one]

No it means until last week, nobody ever complained about being told to go back to their country because it was never an issue

actually, it has been a big issue especially dating back to when Pres was running
his rhetoric greatly increased such incidents and it was reported on the news of people being told to go back to their country

there was a website that kept track of "incidents" as I was looking at it back then (don't have it saved)

the increased amt of incidents worried me enough that I spoke with my mom (after election) about fears of my child being targeted since she was born outside the U.S.

lots of kids were targeted in schools, also
re building walls at school & taunting kids
all over the news so surprised you weren't aware of this

 

[RDKirk]

The view of race and its concepts is not the same regarding Old Testament, New Testament, and the present period.

There was also no computer porn back then, but we've found a way to determine pornography is a sin.

 

[RDKirk]

If we're defining racism as hatred for other races because of their race, yes that is a sin. The Gospel is open to all peoples and all nations who are invited to partake of it and become part of the one family of God. To hate another race for their identity is sinful.

If we're using some modern definition like power plus privilege equals racism, then no, it is not a sin because that definition is stupid.

I would say that is also a sin, although a different one.

Jesus and James address that one.

 

[RDKirk]

That might be like dealing only with bank robbers, and not dealing with rape and child abuse and pedophile predators and murder . . . .

What I think of is sin is a package deal. If you can do one, you can do another.

I'll put that a different way, based on my own experience:

If you can rationalize any sin, you can rationalize every sin.

The person who rationalizes a "small" sin will rationalize a "big" sin, if Satan ever puts him into a situation where that big sin is as easy and cheap as that small sin.

 

[RDKirk]

And when their country of origin is America?

No amount of waffling on this one will wash the stain of sin off of it.

Well, stupidity might be an excuse, if one wants to claim it.

 

[RDKirk]

Seems like you don't understand true racism.

Racism is when you discriminate against a specific race.

No, racism is when you discriminate against any race other than your own.

 

[RDKirk]

We are all "racist" to an extent, or we wouldn't even notice differences in us. But, we DO notice... and we react quickly and loudly (either side).

No.

I notice redheads from blondes, but I don't have a preference for either.

 

[RDKirk]

Racism is a sin. Perjury is a sin. Homosexual sex is a sin. Lying is a sin. Adultery is a sin. Taking bribes is a sin. Calling out other's sins when one is a sinner oneself is a sin.

Paul called himself the "chief sinner"--does that mean he was wrong to call out the Corinthian who was living with his father's wife?

 

[Strathos]

No it means until last week, nobody ever complained about being told to go back to their country because it was never an issue; now since Trump posts silly tweet, now everybody and their mother is claiming this has been a problem forever and they are victims.

Are you being serious right now? No one ever complained about that, and it was never considered a racist thing to say? If you honestly believe that, you must be living in an alternate reality.

The long, sordid history behind Trump’s ‘go back’ to your country comments - The Boston Globe

Some places yes other places no; it all depends on where you look

There are places in America where Christians have it worse off than atheists. Like I said, it all depends on where you look

I'm talking about overall. What's the average? Take 1000 random samples, which way does the data lean?

What makes it not racist is the fact that race was not mentioned or even eluded to

You seemed to be arguing that it would indeed be racist if he had only said 'go back to the countries you came from', but somehow adding on 'and fix them and then come back here before we listen to your idea on how to fix the US' made it not racist.

How does that addition do so?

And they would be wrong. Only a person who doesn’t know the difference between race and culture would do something like that.

Do you think that race, as commonly understood, is actually a genetic reality, or just a social construct?

The USA is not a broken-down crime infested nation

Trump seemed to imply it was. Either that or he made the racist assumption that these minority women were not born here.

 

[Ken-1122]

actually, it has been a big issue especially dating back to when Pres was running
his rhetoric greatly increased such incidents and it was reported on the news of people being told to go back to their country

there was a website that kept track of "incidents" as I was looking at it back then (don't have it saved)

the increased amt of incidents worried me enough that I spoke with my mom (after election) about fears of my child being targeted since she was born outside the U.S.

lots of kids were targeted in schools, also
re building walls at school & taunting kids
all over the news so surprised you weren't aware of this

Perhaps it's been an issue where you live, where I live it's never been an issue till last week.

 

[Invalidusername]

No, racism is when you discriminate against any race other than your own.

You literally just repeated what I said.

 

[W2L]

When they were born in America and have not moved to another country and renounced their American citizenship, it is racial prejudice - racism - to state that their country is not this one.

nope, not racism

 

[W2L]

It's an ad hominem attack at the credibility of the person based on their country of origin's problems. It therefore discriminates according to one's country of origin. It's the same prejudice on display when Trump reportedly asked why we have to let so many immigrants into this country who come from s#*&hole nations.

At the same time it also implies that this is not their country or that they are not welcome here. Incidentally, the crowd of his supporters at his rally clearly understood this when they chanted "send her back".

no, its called criticism, not racism.

 

[W2L]

Libs want to turn criticism into racism. lol, no wonder im not a liberal

 

[childeye 2]

no, its called criticism, not racism.

Ever notice that racism requires criticism of someone based on the country they originate from, heritage, ethnic culture?

 

[Invalidusername]

Libs want to turn criticism into racism. lol, no wonder im not a liberal

Be careful. I already got two warnings in this thread and I never said anything remotely offensive. Stay safe bro. They're here.

 

[W2L]

Ever notice that racism requires criticism of someone based on the country they originate from, heritage, ethnic culture?

What? Liberals and conservatives criticize countries all the time. Besides, criticizing someone for not running their country well is not racism.

 

[W2L]

Be careful. I already got two warnings in this thread and I never said anything remotely offensive. Stay safe bro. They're here.

Been there, that's how they are, they get their way. If they bann me i'll be done with the whole bunch of them, liberals and Christians both. Im not joking, im tired of this crap.

 

[Invalidusername]

Been there, that's how they are, they get their way. If they bann me i'll be done with the whole bunch of them, liberals and Christians both. Im not joking, im tired of this crap.

Yeah. It's always about silencing people like us. Well I'm outta this thread. Good luck.