Is 'once saved always saved' a biblical teaching?

[Spiritual Jew]

We are all born lost, including Judas. . .by nature, objects of wrath (Eph 2:3). . .we are born with our nature, born as objects of wrath and remain so without saving faith in Jesus Christ.

If all are born lost then why did Jesus say that none that were given Him (referring to the twelve disciples) were lost except one, the son of perdition? You are obviously taking John 17:12 out of context. Based on what you said here, Jesus should have said all of them were lost, not one, but He clearly wasn't talking in the context that you're talking about here.

While we are all born with a sinful nature that will eventually manifest itself when we begin to sin, we do not sin right from birth. If we were objects of His wrath even from birth, that would be complete nonsense. What has a baby done to deserve God's wrath? Absolutely nothing. You are defying all logic with your belief. If God's wrath is on us even from birth, then what do you make of this...

Matthew 19:13 Then little children were brought to Him that He might put His hands on them and pray, but the disciples rebuked them. 14 But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.”

What do you think, that Jesus was saying that the kingdom of heaven was made up of such as those little children of wrath? Of course He was not saying that, but the way you falsely interpret Ephesians 2:3 would lead to that conclusion.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

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There is no such thing as a born again child of God loosing their Eternal life and going back to the state of being in spiritual death and facing the great white throne judgment and the second death.

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For if we died with Him,
We shall also live with Him.
If we endure,
We shall also reign with Him.
If we deny Him,
He also will deny us.
If we are faithless,
He remains faithful;
He cannot deny Himself

If a person is teaching the loss of Eternal Life of a born again child of God, they are teaching a lie.

You need to re-read what you posted there. It talks about the need to endure. It says He won't ever deny Himself, but it says "If we deny Him, He also will deny us". Why do you act as if that isn't possible? You don't think it's possible for the following to occur?

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

The Greek word translated as "received" there is "lambanō" and it means to accept the truth in this context. So, this is talking about someone who has accepted the truth of the gospel of Christ and has repented of their sins, but they later decide that they don't need to be repentant of their sins anymore, so they now are sinning willfully without any remorse. This lines up with other passages like Hebrews 3:12-14 and Hebrews 6:4-6 that talk about the possibility of someone who is saved/born again departing from God and falling away.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

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Who Is the Lost Person According to Scripture? – Grace Evangelical Society

Are you Bob Wilkin? If not, can't you speak for yourself? That is quite the word salad he wrote there, so how about you just tell me what is the point you're intending to make in relation to John 17:12? Do you understand that it's talking about Judas Iscariot as the one of the disciples who was lost?

 

[Spiritual Jew]

Did you miss "to deliver over treacherously," as the definition for "betray," which is the verb form of the noun "betrayal."

Those above, along with Judas, who fell away only tasted, they did not eat.

Those who eat do not fall away.

Come on. Give me a break. What about the part in Hebrews 6:4 that says they were enlightened and were partakers of the Holy Spirit? That can only describe people who are saved.

 

[BPPLEE]

Then why were you making other points in other posts that didn't agree with the point I made there? I was kept up with the thread, so that has nothing to do with it.

Sorry you didn't understand

 

[Clare73]

If all are born lost then why did Jesus say that none that were given Him (referring to the twelve disciples) were lost except one, the son of perdition? You are obviously taking John 17:12 out of context. Based on what you said here, Jesus should have said all of them were lost, not one, but He clearly wasn't talking in the context that you're talking about here.
While we are all born with a sinful nature that will eventually manifest itself when we begin to sin, we do not sin right from birth. If we were objects of His wrath even from birth, that would be complete nonsense. What has a baby done to deserve God's wrath? Absolutely nothing. You are defying all logic with your belief. If God's wrath is on us even from birth, then what do you make of this...

Matthew 19:13 Then little children were brought to Him that He might put His hands on them and pray, but the disciples rebuked them. 14 But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven.”

What do you think, that Jesus was saying that the kingdom of heaven was made up of such as those little children

"Such as these" children, is not "these" children.

"Such as these;" i.e., not the wise and learned (Mt 11:25, 18:3, 19:14), but the trusting and unpretentious.

of wrath? Of course He was not saying that, but the way you falsely interpret Ephesians 2:3 would lead to that conclusion.

Eph 2:3 is quite clear and needs no interpretation, only belief of what it states; i.e., we are "by nature, objects of wrath."
We are born with our nature, born objects of wrath.

The baby rattlesnakes in my backyard where my children play are as much my enemies as are the adult rattlesnakes there.
Being babies make no difference in one's nature (poisonous, or sinful) in either rattlesnakes or humans.

All those of Adam are born with the sin of Adam accounted/charged/imputed to them (Ro 5:17), which is the pattern (Ro 5:14) for the righteousness of Christ imputed to all those of Christ (Ro 5:18-19).

There are only two groups of people on earth, the condemned (Eph 2:3) and the saved through faith in Jesus Christ (Jn 3:18).
Even the elect stand condemned until they come to saving faith in Jesus Christ (Jn 3:18).

 

[Clare73]

Come on. Give me a break. What about the part in Hebrews 6:4 that says they were enlightened and were partakers of the Holy Spirit? That can only describe people who are saved.

Contraire. . .the Holy Spirit worked in Saul. . .but he remained a reprobate.

 

[d taylor]

You need to re-read what you posted there. It talks about the need to endure. It says He won't ever deny Himself, but it says "If we deny Him, He also will deny us". Why do you act as if that isn't possible? You don't think it's possible for the following to occur?

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

The Greek word translated as "received" there is "lambanō" and it means to accept the truth in this context. So, this is talking about someone who has accepted the truth of the gospel of Christ and has repented of their sins, but they later decide that they don't need to be repentant of their sins anymore, so they now are sinning willfully without any remorse. This lines up with other passages like Hebrews 3:12-14 and Hebrews 6:4-6 that talk about the possibility of someone who is saved/born again departing from God and falling away.

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The belief and teaching that a born again child of God can become un-born again and cross back over from life to death. Is an evil, satan based belief and makes God out as a liar. So i will not discuss this any further.

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.