Is not believing in an eternal hell Heresy?

[seeingeyes]

I am not going to get sidetracked. What's Matthew 25:46 about?

Well, it certainly doesn't mean that x view of hell is orthodox while the rest are heretical.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Well, it certainly doesn't mean that x view of hell is orthodox while the rest are heretical.

You didn't answer the question asked. But I will not bother repeating it for the time being.

 

[NamelessHero]

by definition, yes.
That doesn't mean you'll go to hell tho.

 

[seeingeyes]

You didn't answer the question asked. But I will not bother repeating it for the time being.

Well, that is the topic of this thread. You told me you didn't want to be sidetracked.

 

[By Faith Alone]

I asked you to stop posting the irrelevancies.

Sorry. I learned to dot "i"s and cross "t"s in English when I was a child. Won't bother you with that any more.

 

[MoreCoffee]

by definition, yes.
That doesn't mean you'll go to hell tho.

That's possibly true, judgement is always in the hands of God. Some seem to think that believing a heresy makes one a heretic and hence condemns one to hell. Such is not true. The mere fact that one believes a condemned error does not make one a heretic and hence does not mean one is hell bound.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I'm wondering why you think that God gave choices?
Everyone chooses to be with God or side with satan.
Jesus giving explicite wording on the danger involved
in choosing to side with God's enemy seems reason enough
to believe in His word.

Sorry to have taken your words so literal. My apologies.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the subject material is based around those
who Christ considers to be sheep or goats and the criteria He used to judge them.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Sorry. I learned to dot "i"s and cross "t"s in English when I was a child. Won't bother you with that any more.

Thanks

Now let's return to the verse on the table. Matthew 25:46.

 

[By Faith Alone]

The mere fact that one believes a condemned error does not make one a heretic and hence does not mean one is hell bound.

Who decides what is condemned? A council?

Nothing but bugs under a board.

 

[MoreCoffee]

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No more irrelevancies, please.

 

[Angelquill]

Please, stop the irrelevant diversions. Jesus said that the wicked shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. It isn't rocket science. It's easy to grasp the words. The wicked go into everlasting punishment. Do you believe that?

Yes.
Their punishment...being annihilated...lasts forever.
Their gone, forever.
They have given up the privilege of life forever.
They are never, ever going to exist again, in any state whatsoever.
It's over, no more, all gone, they are d e a d, the end, that's all.

Now, to me, that's pretty darn terrifying. It is the ultimate punishment.
But it isn't cruel. It is perfectly just.
God says that He puts before you life and death...and asks you to choose life.

 

[By Faith Alone]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the subject material is based around those
who Christ considers to be sheep or goats and the criteria He used to judge them.

And to whom do the sheep and goats apply?

 

[Angelquill]

For God is not willing that any should perish...

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yes.

So there's nothing cruel in me affirming what Jesus said by saying that the wicked are eternally tormented in gehenna. great. some progress.

 

[MoreCoffee]

For God is not willing that any should perish...

Are you going to head for universal redemption now?

 

[By Faith Alone]

Yes.
Their punishment...being annihilated...lasts forever.
Their gone, forever.
They have given up the privilege of life forever.
They are never, ever going to exist again, in any state whatsoever.
It's over, no more, all gone, they are d e a d, the end, that's all.

Now, to me, that's pretty darn terrifying. It is the ultimate punishment.
But it isn't cruel. It is perfectly just.
God says that He puts before you life and death...and asks you to choose life.

You make a DANDY kindergarten teacher!

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

And to whom do the sheep and goats apply?

Matt 25:32-46 is a parable explained

 

[MoreCoffee]

This question interests me because, while I have believed in the traditional concept of hell for most of my Christian life...some 50 years...lately I have begun to doubt it.
I do tend these days to lean more toward annihilationism.
Not only do several Bible verses seem to teach the "second death", I just can't figure out WHY God would keep people alive throughout eternity, only to torture them.
What purpose would it serve? The purpose of punishment, I always thought, was to teach the miscreant the error of his ways...it's kind of a final attempt to rehabilitate him. However, in hell, it doesn't matter how well the wicked learn their lesson...the time for that is over. If God is love, how could He be so cruel?

Anyhow, I indicated to someone that my belief seems to be changing in these forums, and he very quickly pointed out to me that I had broken CF rules. That rather surprised me. I mean, I read the rules when I first joined, but I didn't recall seeing that one on the list.

So now, I'm wondering too...why is it heresy, and why is it against the rules?
Shouldn't we all be actively seeking the truth?
Something I learned way back in sixth grade math class (I never was any good at math, btw), is that a fact does not need you to believe it, or even to understand it, for it to be a fact. I was encouraged (uncomfortably so, I might add) at that time to do my very best to ascertain the facts.
Why are we being discouraged to do so now?

So, let me get this sorted. What you said in the post quoted above about cruelty is wrong and you agree that it is not cruel to affirm what Jesus said in Matthew 25:46, namely that the wicked shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Right? It's okay for me to affirm what Jesus said and to believe in eternal punishment (torment if you prefer a more emotive word)?

 

[By Faith Alone]

So there's nothing cruel in me affirming what Jesus said by saying that the wicked are eternally tormented in gehenna. great. some progress.

Show me dat please?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Show me dat please?

(Matthew 25:46 KJV) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.