Is not believing in an eternal hell Heresy?

[shturt678s]

Back to what Jesus said, the wicked will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life. So what is eternal about this punishment remembering that it is eternal in the same way that life is eternal for the righteous?

 

[MoreCoffee]

This whole discussion is eerily like a conversation with one of Jehovah's witnesses about the same subject; the only difference is that the Jehovah's witness would be using the NWT and it says (Matthew 25:46) . . .These will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.” So the battle is slightly more skewed with them.

 

[By Faith Alone]

Matt 25:32-46 is a parable explained

Yes. And with that parable you see that NATIONS are being considered. Jesus, Himself, said He had not come but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and MUST be that the parables concern that nation. He was talking about a judgment BEFORE He brings that nation into the land of Canaan under the bond of the New Covenant and with Israel and the House of Judah (Jeremiah 31:31).

Ezek 20:37-38
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

 

[By Faith Alone]

This whole discussion is eerily like a conversation with one of Jehovah's witnesses about the same subject; the only difference is that the Jehovah's witness would be using the NWT and it says (Matthew 25:46) . . .These will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.” So the battle is slightly more skewed with them.

Diving into catechisms and tradition and the Didache, etc gives me the same feeling when talking to a catholic.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Yes. And with that parable you see that NATIONS are being considered. Jesus, Himself, said He had not come but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel and MUST be that the parables concern that nation. He was talking about a judgment BEFORE He brings that nation into the land of Canaan under the bond of the New Covenant and with Israel and the House of Judah (Jeremiah 31:31).

Ezek 20:37-38
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

Interpretations differ on prophetics, but parables explained just mean what they say.

 

[Angelquill]

You see this discussion as a "battle", MC?
That would explain a couple of things.

 

[Angelquill]

Anyhow, this old lady has had a lo-o-o-o-ong day, so I'm gonna cut out of here, and get my jammies on, say my prayers...and be a-headin' fer my beddin'...
Later, kids!

 

[Jonathan95]

The goat and sheep separation in Matt. 25 wouldn't make sense if the goats were annihilated.

MC, you do know that death is everlasting punishment, right?
Just to clear that up.

let me rephrase that:
Death could be construed as everlasting punishment.
I mean, you ain't coming back from this one...

No such thing as the "general resurrection" or "General judgment". Death is death and not life in another form. Foreign to Scriptures.

Ezekiel 28 about Satan:
I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God.
I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
I will cast thee to the earth.
I will lay thee before kings.
I will bring forth a fire from the midst of thee and it shall devour thee.
I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth.
Thou shalt be a terror.
Never shalt thou be any more.

The last enemy to be destroyed is...DEATH. Must be more to be destroyed, huh?

So God prepared hell for Satan and his angels, as Matt. 25 says, but Satan will be annihilated, but his angels wont? Also, why prepare a hell for someone who will just be annihilated?

 

[MoreCoffee]

You see this discussion as a "battle", MC?
That would explain a couple of things.

I see your posts as stating some things that are not the truth as well as some things that are true enough. I see sloppy exegesis in your posts. I see lots of accusations levelled at Catholics in your posts. I see lots of dodging and weaving and avoiding offering retractions where they are needed. I also see willingness to accuse God as well as other Christians for the sake of being right about annihilationism. In short I'd like to see some retractions, it would be encouraging.

 

[James Is Back]

In short I'd like to see some retractions, it would be encouraging.

Or some Truth for that matter.

 

[shturt678s]

Who decides what is condemned? A council?

Nothing but bugs under a board.

No not really, however question finally down to my lower paygrade....the Word is the judge of every dis-believer....Jn.12:48a.

Old Jack's opinion at the bottom of the pecking order.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Day and night can have no reference to the eternal state. They gave no rest to those who ARE worshiping. It is the PRESENT participle and does NOT say those who WERE worshiping or DID worship the beast. The implication is the they will have no rest WHILE they are on earth in such a state.

I bet somebody was under EXTREME conviction about what they had done.

What about that great City in Revelation where the smoke of it is going up forever?

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
THE DESTRUCTION OF JERUSALEM

Revelation 14:11
And the Smoke of the tormenting of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages.

Reve 19:3
And a second-time they have declared "allelouia and the Smoke of Her is ascending into the Ages of the Ages".



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[Angelquill]

So there's nothing cruel in me affirming what Jesus said by saying that the wicked are eternally tormented in gehenna. great. some progress.

Whoa, wait...you cut out most of my post, MC.
Why would you do that?
It seems dishonest. Surely you aren't being dishonest?
Did you read what I said? If you did, you would know that I did not endorse your idea that the wicked are eternally tormented in gehenna. What I said was that they had given up the privilege of life forever.
Do not twist my words, MC.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Anyhow, this old lady has had a lo-o-o-o-ong day, so I'm gonna cut out of here, and get my jammies on, say my prayers...and be a-headin' fer my beddin'...
Later, kids!

Me too .........


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[Angelquill]

Or some Truth for that matter.

Excuse me?
Did you just call me a liar, or am I misreading you?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Whoa, wait...you cut out most of my post, MC.
Why would you do that?
It seems dishonest. Surely you aren't being dishonest?
Did you read what I said? If you did, you would know that I did not endorse your idea that the wicked are eternally tormented in gehenna. What I said was that they had given up the privilege of life forever.
Do not twist my words, MC.

Because most of it was irrelevant to my reply. I included everything that related to what I wanted to reply to. It's just brevity. The link was there so anybody interested in reading everything you wrote could click it. I don't see why you're complaining. By the way, when are you going to retract your accusation against God and other christians for saying what Jesus said about eternal punishment?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

No not really, however question finally down to my lower paygrade....the Word is the judge of every dis-believer....Jn.12:48a.

Old Jack's opinion at the bottom of the pecking order.

At least yer honest



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[MoreCoffee]

Excuse me?
Did you just call me a liar, or am I misreading you?

I think he called your posts erroneous. You ought not to confuse comments about your posts with comments about you.

 

[Targaryen]

Because most of it was irrelevant to my reply. I included everything that related to what I wanted to reply to. It's just brevity. The link was there so anybody interested in reading everything you wrote could click it. I don't see why you're complaining. By the way, when are you going to retract your accusation against God and other christians for saying what Jesus said about eternal punishment?

She won't...cause it doesn't match up with her "gut feelings"

 

[Angelquill]

Because most of it was irrelevant to my reply. I included everything that related to what I wanted to reply to. It's just brevity. The link was there so anybody interested in reading everything you wrote could click it. I don't see why you're complaining. By the way, when are you going to retract your accusation against God and other christians for saying what Jesus said about eternal punishment?

So, you totally changed what I actually said to sound like I had said the exact opposite, so you could then demand a retraction?
And you're twisting my words yet again...I didn't accuse anyone of anything.
You copied and pasted what I originally said, so I know you know better.

Not gonna work, Sweetie. Your tactics are dishonest.

Now, Mr. High Inquisitor, if you are all through trying to put me on the rack...or even if you aren't...I'm going to bed.
I'd appreciate it if you didn't continue your inquisition behind my back.
Good night to you, Sir...and I will pray for you.