Angelquill
Bard of Angels
physical death, yes.
But the final and irrevocable death of the spirit?
That's eternal.
As in, you will not be resurrected from this one. It's all over.
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If perishing is eternal then what is the resurrection? It's absurd to claim that death is eternal punishment.
What's the difference between physical death and death of the spirit? Doesn't spirit mean 'breath'? Or do you believe that human beings have a spirit that exists apart from their physical bodies after physical death?
What's the difference between physical death and death of the spirit? Doesn't spirit mean 'breath'? Or do you believe that human beings have a spirit that exists apart from their physical bodies after physical death?
Yes, I do. I thought that was pretty universal?
Whatever God works with at resurrection is not revealed to us and conjecture must NOT take place of that fact. We are TOTALLY dead at death. Whatever mind God gives us at the point of resurrection must come from the mind of the New Nature given upon belief. He does NOT explain and if He did we probably would not recognize it. We are certainly a "new creature" with the new nature, but the old nature is with us until death do us part. (Romans 7)
Yes, I do. I thought that was pretty universal?
How does complete and utter destruction "allow Christians to have no fear of our Lord..."? I've heard those who disagree with the doctrine that the wicked will be completely destroyed use this argument before and frankly I am baffled by this argument. Don't you fear that which can completely destroy you? It is bad enough that one person uses this bizarre reasoning. When I see it over and over from the side that supports eternal conscious torment, I see a pattern of thought that is appalling. It is almost as if someone is whispering illogical arguments in yalls ears, and preventing you from seeing and hearing the truth.
Whatever God works with at resurrection is not revealed to us and conjecture must NOT take place of that fact. We are TOTALLY dead at death. Whatever mind God gives us at the point of resurrection must come from the mind of the New Nature given upon belief. He does NOT explain and if He did we probably would not recognize it. We are certainly a "new creature" with the new nature, but the old nature is with us until death do us part. (Romans 7)
The last enemy to be destroyed is death. So death is not our enemy? Death is a gateway to life apart from resurrection?
What's the difference between physical death and death of the spirit? Doesn't spirit mean 'breath'? Or do you believe that human beings have a spirit that exists apart from their physical bodies after physical death?
Yes, I do. I thought that was pretty universal?
Of course, death is my enemy. And no, I will not live again until He calls me.
What He resurrects, as you said, is a tad hazy...but it will be me, for all that.
For lack of a better word, this "essence of me" is my God-breathed "spirit".
The Bible does speak of our spirit within us, doesn't it?
The resurrection, and its value, are the furthest thing from your mind. You reason too much. KISS. "Keep it simple stupid".
MC, you do know that death is everlasting punishment, right?
Just to clear that up.
let me rephrase that:
Death could be construed as everlasting punishment.
I mean, you ain't coming back from this one...
No such thing as the "general resurrection" or "General judgment". Death is death and not life in another form. Foreign to Scriptures.
How can death be an everlasting punishment, if they're annihilated. Then they cannot undergo a punishment.
Yes, we will receive personal judgment after death, and then there's the general judgment when Jesus comes back and the bodies of the dead are raised.
You are right, it is not punishment for an inanimate object to be inanimate. If annihilation takes an hour then the punishment would be an hour not everlasting.
Back to what Jesus said, the wicked will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life. So what is eternal about this punishment remembering that it is eternal in the same way that life is eternal for the righteous?
How so, MC?
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