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is new wine fermented?

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Also how much wine is consumed at a normal communion service,
the ones I have been in at congregations only serve about a tablespoon in a tiny cup.
Hardly enough to tell what it is, do some church groups give more ?
Three glasses of wine at a Passover service I think.
 
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I always took the "fresh wineskins" to mean the new creation we become upon being born again, and the new wine is His Spirit which He pours out upon us and fills us with.

I also enjoy beer and wine with meals (I blame culinary school for this.) I have friends who are partners in vineyards up in the Willamette Valley region of Oregon, and are accomplished sommeliers. PGP's brief exposition on fermenting was actually quite nice.
 
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Hosea talks about wine and new wine.

Wine is the fermented juice of grapes whereas new wine is recently pressed grape juice, either ready for fermentation or having just begun to ferment.

So no, it doesn't mean it was alcoholic, and there are a other types like aged wine, mixed wine, myrrhed wine, sour wine, spiced wine, or sweet wine.
 
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@norah.

most congregations use grape juice not wine...
wine is wine.
grape juice is not fermented.
the reason is quite practical.one is cost the other ls to avoid
causing offense to those of troubled conscience who came to the lord out of
alcohol damaged lives.
 
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Also asking how and when of partaking?
With others in congregations, how often?
Should it be in the home only?
Some say you don't know who you are partaking with in large groups, although I see it as a personal spiritual remembrance myself.
Just mining my bro. and sis on this forum because I respect your thoughts.
Thanks for the help.
 
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@norah.

most congregations use grape juice not wine...
wine is wine.
grape juice is not fermented.
the reason is quite practical.one is cost the other ls to avoid
causing offense to those of troubled conscience who came to the lord out of
alcohol damaged lives.

Yeah, it's really about weak faith. There are many forms of abuse.

Should a congregation ban sex because someone was sexually abused? Or should they teach that sex is a beautiful gift of God to be used to bond husband and wife in Christ and to procreate?

Should a congregation ban food because someone was a glutton and struggles with obesity?

Should we ban marriage because so many women were abused by husbands?

The list can go on and on . . .

Then why should we allow those who were a victim of alcohol to drive us to ban it? Instead, shouldn't we model its proper use in moderation in our lives?

I really don't understand why the church in American has such weak faith and maturity.
 
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Thanks Bob, that answer helped me.
I am somewhat put off by all the seperation these things can cause. Especially when the spiritual side seems so very clear.
My personal take is to have communion at home because it is such a spiritual thing for me.
However in congregation, taking or not seems such a big deal, because others are aware of who, and why and all that side stream stuff. Which is never spiritual imho.
Which is why Bob's post struck a chord with me. (Pardon the musical pun) :)
 
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Wine is the fermented juice of grapes whereas new wine is recently pressed grape juice, either ready for fermentation or having just begun to ferment.

So no, it doesn't mean it was alcoholic, and there are a other types like aged wine, mixed wine, myrrhed wine, sour wine, spiced wine, or sweet wine.

Incorrect. New wine means fermentation has begun and alcohol is present.
 
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Thanks Bob, that answer helped me.
I am somewhat put off by all the seperation these things can cause. Especially when the spiritual side seems so very clear.
My personal take is to have communion at home because it is such a spiritual thing for me.
However in congregation, taking or not seems such a big deal, because others are aware of who, and why and all that side stream stuff. Which is never spiritual imho.
Which is why Bob's post struck a chord with me. (Pardon the musical pun) :)

Since the communion meal was instituted to be celebrated whenever the church gathered together and is intended, when celebrated correctly (1 COR) to unify and bring special grace (health, cleansing, etc) as we come together to recognize the body and blood of our Lord, I think it fundamentally has to be celebrated in the Church with other believers. In the early church, members would take some of the consecrated bread home with them to partake of a little each day (give us Lord our daily bread), but that's secondary. I point that out because so many today are losing touch with the Lord's purpose and value of the Body of Christ and going it alone and that poses grave dangers to our souls.
 
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@norah.

most congregations use grape juice not wine...
wine is wine.
grape juice is not fermented.
the reason is quite practical.one is cost the other ls to avoid
causing offense to those of troubled conscience who came to the lord out of
alcohol damaged lives.

Well, if one views the entirety of the Body of Christ worldwide, only a small fraction of believers use grape juice; the vast majority use wine and either take a single small sip from a common cup or dip the bread into the common cup.
 
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Incorrect. New wine means fermentation has begun and alcohol is present.

Show me your sources I'll show you the greek.

PS: there's a different greek word for fermenting wine than there is for new wine.
 
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Finally got my first taste of new wine yesterday! It was fresh pressed and in jar.
Had a slight smell of wine but no age to it. Flavor was not very sweet but no 'kick to it a aged wine.
Thanks for the input you all gave. Hope others get to try the taste of some new wine.
 
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How do you mean?

Clearly Scripture shows us that Jesus turned water into wine (fully alcoholic), celebrated the Passover meal which required alcoholic wine, drank wine at dinners/parties and was accused of 'drinking', used wine as a metaphor for His Spirit, and instituted a Communion meal with wine . . . all of which is to say that wine is not and can not be viewed as evil if the Lord Himself drank it and placed it in such an important role in the life of the Church.

Yet, here in America, many Pentecostals and Evangelicals teach that wine is evil and can not under any circumstance be consumed. There's no Scriptural basis for it other than fearing it might lead to drunkenness. A fear similar to pretty much any sin . . . sex, gluttony, etc. Banning all alcohol out of fear it'll lead to drunkenness is like banning all sex out of fear it'll lead to sex outside the bonds of marriage.

Many Pentecostals and Evangelicals see from Scripture that their alcohol ban is unfounded, but fall back on Romans 14:21 "It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall."

But Romans 14 starts off with "Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them."

Thus those who ban drinking alcohol are weak in their faith and are requiring all those under them to enable that weakness rather than apply the full measure of this Scripture - allowing those who obey God through abstinence and those who obey and are free to drink as each being correct and not condemned. That's a mature faith. We can't keep coddling to the weak in faith. We need to teach them maturity.
 
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Clearly Scripture shows us that Jesus turned water into wine (fully alcoholic), celebrated the Passover meal which required alcoholic wine, drank wine at dinners/parties and was accused of 'drinking', used wine as a metaphor for His Spirit, and instituted a Communion meal with wine . . . all of which is to say that wine is not and can not be viewed as evil if the Lord Himself drank it and placed it in such an important role in the life of the Church.

Yet, here in America, many Pentecostals and Evangelicals teach that wine is evil and can not under any circumstance be consumed. There's no Scriptural basis for it other than fearing it might lead to drunkenness. A fear similar to pretty much any sin . . . sex, gluttony, etc. Banning all alcohol out of fear it'll lead to drunkenness is like banning all sex out of fear it'll lead to sex outside the bonds of marriage.

Many Pentecostals and Evangelicals see from Scripture that their alcohol ban is unfounded, but fall back on Romans 14:21 "It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall."

But Romans 14 starts off with "Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them."

Thus those who ban drinking alcohol are weak in their faith and are requiring all those under them to enable that weakness rather than apply the full measure of this Scripture - allowing those who obey God through abstinence and those who obey and are free to drink as each being correct and not condemned. That's a mature faith. We can't keep coddling to the weak in faith. We need to teach them maturity.

I see what you mean, now.

Does sound like weak faith.
 
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So new wine hasent fermented very long?
How long till it starts to turn, may I ask?
6 weeks at the outside. Could be as short as 1 week.

"New Wine" was intoxicating. Note the accusation against the (apparently drunk) apostles in Acts 2:

13 Others mocking said, “They are full of new wine.” (NKJV)
 
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